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History Repeating Itself
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Many Viewpoints Both Positive and Negative
Pay It Forward for Profits, a quasi downline club pretending to be a funded proposal, collapsed last year. I hoped people would learn a lesson from it.
Members were funneled into marginal programs such as GDI and Empowerism for the sake of the income streams they provided — and perhaps too because the Pay It Forward founders had a prior interest in those programs. Members had sought to promote their primary businesses when joining PIF4P, but that idea typically got lost in the shuffle.
As Diane Hochman teaches in My Private Classroom webinars, marketing systems are simply not sustainable. They implode once a large enough number of users adopt or tout the system.
Rather than develop or teach systems and shortcuts, Diane Hochman and I teach key leadership skills and offer excellent social media marketing training.
After all, isn’t it better to invest a few months to develop strong marketing and communication skills that will serve us a lifetime than to invest the same effort in a system that might make us a few fast bucks if we’re lucky?
It’s not good to rely solely on a marketing system to build a business, but when the system itself is the product, as was the case with Pay It Forward for Profits, then the ultimate end comes quickly, usually within a year or two, and the program is completely wiped out.
Unfortunately most people don’t learn. They blame their result on bad luck or external circumstances and jump on one of the next bandwagons to come along.
As Alexander Pope said, “Hope springs eternal in the human breast,” and new marketing schemes appear every week.
Caution Recommended
What’s astonishing about The Spiderweb Marketing System is how closely it resembles Pay It Forward. When I signed up and looked inside, I could hardly believe my eyes. There was GDI front and center, just as it was in PIF4P.
That’s where the automated blogs are set up. Global Domains is the first paid component of this free system.
Hmm. Did I just say that?
I guess the system isn’t free. Users buy overpriced web services for $10 per month from GDI in order to use The SpiderWeb Marketing System.
When you get to the Direct Matches* sign up, you really can sign up for free. However, if you do, you won’t be able to implement the Direct Matches piece of the traffic system — better pay another $10 per month for that. I think I’m beginning to see a pattern here.
Ever hear of bait-and-switch?
Sorry. Let’s call it upsell.
There are multiple income streams — some pretty good. And there’s no made-up story about funded proposals like with Pay It Forward for Profits — also good. However, I wish they were up front about the cost. Spider Web is not a free system.
Many people will join Spider looking for multiple streams of income, but instead they’ll find themselves saddled down with multiple streams of outgo.
Oh, there is one other thing. In addition to clogging the Direct Matches MyMail system with spammy messages, The SpiderWeb Marketing System is a proponent and proliferator of automated blogs.
An automated blog is a system generated blog. The system creates the blog and pumps posts into the blogosphere faster than you can say “global warming”.
I just though of a name for this new phenomenon, it’s a blog infestation.
Okay. Needs some work. Give me some time. I’ll think of a better one.
All kidding aside, I can’t understand why somebody would want to spend hours spamming members at Direct Matches and Yuwie while polluting the blogosphere on auto-pilot.
There’s a moral issue too which I hope to discuss in detail in a future post. For now, consider this. When somebody visits a blog, they assume that it’s the journal of a real live person — not the fiction of a computer program. How can this type of impersonation be right?
Kimball Roundy, creator of the Spider System, has given us something interesting to watch. We’ll get to see how Google and the other search engines cope with his quasi-blogs and how visitors react to them as well. We’ll also get to see if automated blogs are really scalable and if a substantial numbers of people actually make money with them.
Meanwhile please be careful. If you see a low hanging spider web, duck!
Speaking of ducks, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it’s a duck. I wish we could still say that about a blog. 
*Direct Matches happens to be one of my favorite social networking sites. Too bad it’s going to be overrun yet again with spammers. I was so relieved when Pay It Forward fell by the wayside. Now I’ll have to put up with another wave of spamming for a year or so until The Spider Web Marketing System runs its course.
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Hi,
Thanks for sharing. I find what you say interesting. I am new to the area of blogging and have joined with spiderweb marketing. I did do some search beforehand on it and felt that with my knowledge that it didn’t represent anything wrong. As I said I am new.
I am learning all the time, and I was interested in your comment about it: “There’s a moral issue too which I hope to discuss in detail in a future post. For now, consider this. When somebody visits a blog, they assume that it’s the journal of a real live person — not the fiction of a computer program. How can this type of impersonation be right?”
I had not thought of this like this, and as I believe in doing things in excellence, I will need to look into this.
What I have learnt though is how to set up Adwords and Commission Junction, so I’m thankful for the videos taking me through this.
Have a great day.
Julia
First and foremost, your opinion that GDI is a marginal program does not make it a fact.
Diane Hochman is correct…marketing systems are simply not sustainable. However, the only ones that implode are the ones that do not have hands-on leadership who combine ‘High-Tech’ with ‘High-Touch.’ A teachable, duplicatable system WILL work long-term as long as there are leaders within the network who make it stand the test of time.
Any savvy networking leader knows that marketing systems alone end quickly.
You cannot blame the people who don’t learn their lesson. They had no leadership to guide them in the marketing program they chose. The only ones I ‘blame’ are the ones who have the leadership, but are not willing to learn or willing to work consistently enough to succeed.
The SpiderWebSystem IS free. Users have a choice on whether or not to buy into the income stream generators within SpiderWebSystem. You mistakenly state that GDI’s services are overpriced at $10 per month. A domain name, 10-page build-it-yourself website, 10 email addresses, state-of-the-art hosting, along with experienced leadership support system upline and tools certainly justify $10 per month.
As far as Direct Matches is concerned…bait and switch is not even close to your description. I have not ONCE used Direct Matches to prospect anyone for Spider, other than the free classified. I upgraded (out of choice) to Executive @ $29.95 per month, and have received a weekly residual check consistently from that stream alone in SpiderSystem.
Spider Web is a free system…period. There is no need to mention the costs of income streams that SpiderWebSystem members can choose from, once they are enrolled. They can discover their options once they sign up. There is nothing wrong, for example, with a restaurant offering their patrons additional menu items once they are seated. They can choose whatever they want.
As far as people joining Spider looking for multiple streams of income, but instead finding themselves saddled down with multiple streams of outgo…HEY…That’s their OWN fault, for not following what their leaders are teaching them, in terms of building their network and income streams. I don’t blame Spider for their lack of proper activity to produce the revenue. If people want to spend money and not do what it takes to generate revenue to justify their investment, blame THEM, not the system.
As far as the Automated Blogs are concerned, not only do Spider users have the benefit of automated updates, but they can login, after being educated by the leaders of course, and update their OWN unique content, in ADDITION to the automation. That way they can take control of their rankings in search engines. If there were no opportunity to do that alone, I would agree with your philosophy on ‘quasi-blogs.’
The internet itself is overrun with spammers and so was Direct Matches even before SpiderWeb. Again…it’s not Spider that is causing the spam…it is ignorant human beings who are uneducated to know how to use the social networks properly. Don’t blame the System. Instead, blame the “unwilling to be educated” people who, like in ALL programs, abuse the systems.
The Spider Web Marketing System will stand the test of time based on the ability of its LEADERS to teach, train and duplicate the system with those who are willing to learn and willing to work. The SpiderWebSystem will succeed in spite of naysayers who attempt to predict and dictate the success or failure of the system while being ignorant of its leadership.
Make it a wonderful day!
Kevin
Kevin,
Your remarks are intelligent, and while I don’t agree with all your points, they are well taken.
Now what remains to be seen is how effective Spider leadership will be and how well the Spider plan will work in a world where people tend to ignore instructions and to follow the path of least resistance.
Larry
Larry,
In a world where people tend to ignore instructions and follow the path of least resistance, you and I both know that a percentage WILL follow instructions, no matter WHAT program they follow. That alone will drive the success of a leader-driven organization. Every team is as good as its coach.
The law of averages bend in the favor of those who follow first and then earn the right to leadership.
It’s not even a question: “Will the Spider Plan work?” It’s a question of how many people can leaders gather and teach to make the law of averages work in their favor?
Again…I never ‘blame’ a System for its success or failure. Nor will I announce to the world that it is doomed to failure based on past similar systems. It’s people with vision and belief or lack thereof, that make or break anything.
Thank you for the compliment and the opportunity to voice in your blog.
Let’s talk, sometime.
Best regards,
Kevin
Thanks for the warning!
I hate it when the truth isn’t told BEFORE I get involved in something.
Thanks to Kevin, you’ve been able to read two different views on the Spiderweb Marketing System.
I think Selfbank Mobile with the Spider is a great idea.
It could make history.
Good blog.
Success2u,
B.S.
Should join and test it, Larry. Then you could evaluate the system, instead of making general comments.
I think Kevin has a handle on it. Follow his lead.
I’m sure that I could make money with the Spiderweb System, but it would be at the expense of others losing their money, and it would involve tactics that I do not care for, as I mentioned in my post.
One other point.
I need not jump off the Brooklyn Bridge in order to recommend that others refrain from doing so.
Oh I don’t know, I think you should always test new ideas when it comeS to marketing.
What’s wrong with promoting affiliate links? Isn’t that what you are doing with this post and blog?
If the system does not work, just stop doing it. I don’t see how SpiderWeb is much different than what you are promoting.
Certainly there is an equal chance to spend money, which is not the same as losing money.
Not the same.
The Spiderweb Marketing System is a downline building system, not merely an affiliate marketing program. People are being recruited into a money making scheme. They join because they want to recruit others and make money.
Such a program is much different than selling books or web hosting or other products and services.
I do not object to money making programs. I actually like them. It’s only certain aspects of the Spider Web System that bother me.
Also, testing new ideas makes a lot of sense, but you cannot reasonably expect to test every one that presents itself.
I joined the Spiderweb System.
The one, make that two, things that stand out is the problem of support. I can’t find any.
The other problem is the small problem of there is no e-mail address to ask for support.
Actually, there isn’t any e-mail address that I can find.
I didn’t notice that until I ran into a problem the other day.
What I find even more amazing is that I cannot find any comments anywhere about the “No Email” issue.
It may be possible that I am the only one that has even considered asking for help from support.
Okay, Spiderweb is free, and that is good. However, if there is a problem one should be able to ask how to fix the problem.
And the forum is down!
Also, the auto-blog is mentioned above. I’ve been in the “Spiderweb” 9 days so far and I still do not have the “auto-blog” or any of the “custom” pages. Which brings to the forefront the “no email” problem contacting support.
An Aside: This is a very good blog.
RT…
Sounds frustrating Richard, but I wwill be surprised if these issues don’t get ironed out, one way or another.
I have been active in the home business world since I joined the now defunct Excel Communications back in 1997. As time has gone by I’ve become increasingly conservative and more and more concerned with integrity issues.
Integrity in the home business world is pretty scarce. Companies, individual teams and personal sponsors all have the potential to disappoint us in this regard.
I am currently part of three home businesses. All three are with strong companies that manufacture and sell excellent products.
In the first, my sponsor is dishonest. In the second, my whole upline has flaked on me. In the third, everything is in order and I’m very optimistic.
I won’t quit the first two, since I do get checks from each every month. However, my heart isn’t in them.
The strength of networking businesses is also their weakness, i.e., people.
Thank you for you compliment about my blog Richard. As I mentioned in Blogging and Search Engine Marketing, I’m relatively new to blogging. However, I’m very commited to blogs and blog marketing.
Larry
Hi Larry,
I appreciate your blog, and believe you to be honest in your efforts. I have to take issue with some of your presumptions, however.
First, The SpiderWeb Marketing System IS free, and Kimball is very forthcoming in the intital videos where he clearly states that joining GDI is optional. No reasonable person would assume that there would never be a cost for anything. No business can be run cost-free.
I do agree with your concerns about the auto blog. The good news is that it is totally customizable. I would strongly encourage everyone using the system to use the auto-posts as a starting point, adding their own, unique content - even dumping the auto-posts in favor of this. OR, use the auto-posts to generate ideas for original content.
I was involved in Pay It Forward For Profits. The difference between the two systems is remarkable. The training is superior, and the business opportunities very main-stream. I believe this system will endure, because it offers an incrdible amout of value, at NO COST. I’ve been involved for a couple months now, and although I certainly haven’t gotten rich overnight, I am making money - primarily from GDI and Direct Matches, with an occasional payment from Google.
With regards to another poster’s assertion that support is not available; the email address for support is displayed on the login page.
One final point - maybe the most important yet: The system has not been officially released. It is still in beta mode. Any support issues will be resolved once all of the bugs are worked out.
Keep up the good work!
Arne
Arne,
To me mainstream means people buy products and services on a long term basis because they like them and find their price acceptable — not merely because of the potential for income.
Although I love Direct Matches, I do not consider GDI and Direct Matches to be mainstream programs. And as I recall they were both part of Pay It Forward For Profits.
Real mainstream programs, although they have some amount of customer churn, provide stable ongoing income. Perhaps there are some such programs in the Spiderweb portfolio.
Larry
Hi Larry,
This is a great blog as it’s very educative, and I appreciate the fact that you have an audience of members of the Spiderweb System.
I am so new to network marketing, and I’m learning a great deal every day while trying not to make to many mistakes.
I joined the Spiderweb System June 1st and understand that it’s in beta mode. So it looks like until all the bugs have been ironed out, the system’s full potential cannot be realized.
As for support, I’ve sent an email to the moderator; hopefully I’ll get a response, because I’m not yet a Black Widow member.
Arne, I take that revenue earned from Google is from Adsense that is on you blog… meaning if the blog is not up, Adsense can’t be set up.. Right? Please correct me if I’m wrong, as my auto blog is not set up even though my front page has been set up.
Keep the blog going, really helpful.
Pauline
Wow, this is a very interesting blog.
I am new to the Internet world as far as marketing. I came across the Spiderweb System, and well, I guess I am kinda curious. After reading this, I’m not sure what to do! I want to know more about the system, but I don’t wanna get scammed either. So now I’m really confused.
Please help.
rhmillion
I’ll be happy to help.
A lot depends on what you want to accomplish and what skills you already have.
Even though you’re new to marketing on the Internet, if you have good people, that will make a big difference.
Yes Larry, I came across this while beta testing SpiderWeb. It is one of the new streams of income they have recently added called SelfBank.
I would be interested to hear what you think of this particular idea. I think SelfBank has the potential to be the next PayPal. Call me crazy, but the debate continues.
I have learned to embrace technology…well, at least attempt being an early adopter. The link to my name in this post is my affiliate link (full disclosure). I did join to check this out and to see what it is all about.
I must admit that I missed out on both MindSpring and Google when they went IPO. So now I like to test things out and see for myself. Now I go back to promoting the rugged notebooks niche and mobililty.
Hello Larry,
Great post… really!
I’m a Spiderweb Black Widow Member. I payed $497 for that, and I don’t regret it… but at the same time I must agree with some of your concerns.
The bottom line is that you need to find a helpful sponsor to get the most from Spiderweb, mainly because, as ithers already stated, there is a real lack of support in the system
Personally I am enough skilled to take care of myself, but one person out of every five I refer e-mails me to ask for help, which I’m very pleased to give.
This should be a golden rule for everyhting, BEFORE joining any program or system, search the web for a good sponsor, contact him and test if he or she can really help you.
Nick, from Italy
I was actually interested in Spiderweb. It sounded terrific!
I signed up for the free system password to log in……it has been two days!
So i started to look for the developer of the system……wait a minute you cannot find any solid contact info, and you still want to join?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Okay, after searching for some solid info on the company, I came across this blog!
It was very informative. I found the conversations very intelligent and insightful. I believe that what you put in is what you get out! But certainly this blog was helpful in my formative stages.
@Nick from Italy
Kevin stated above, “The Spider Web Marketing System will stand the test of time based on the ability of its LEADERS to teach, train and duplicate the system with those who are willing to learn and willing to work.”
Seems so far that there are a lot of kinks to iron out, and that the ability of some of the leaders — probably not Kevin — is very much in question.
Looking back at my years in network marketing since 1997, my biggest issue has been the ability of the leadership to train, not just to inspire.
Larry
Well Larry, you make some valid points about the blog. And also about your opinion. But the funny thing is I have made a lot from this system and only spent a marginal amount of cash to get this.
I have also learned how to filter my capture pages through multiple streams of income — that are free and lucrative at the same time — through a auto-responder. Before that I had no clue. I now drive massive amounts of traffic to my blog and also my custom capture pages.
I can almost guarantee that somewhere down the line you will be a part of this system, as it is growing and achieving a substantial number of members who are becoming successful at the the same time.
In regards to the system been free, and you saying it is not, with the costs of memberships to DM and GDI, well you see the system is free. That is, the system of filtering your leads to other streams of income. You are getting free access to the back office, the set up tabs, the videos, the other streams of income that others fail to utilize and all this for signing up.
And you don’t have to close any sales to get people to sign to these streams of income. The back office set up does that for you. And that is free. You are also gonna have to pay for web hosting somewhere else, might as well be GDI and get paid for it!
Network marketing is about virally sharing your businesses and news. The automated blog is a viral effect. Not only is the blog giving you a content rich page for the search engines, but it is also building you a nice income through Adsense that pays for your membership costs to DM and GDI.
Search Engines drive traffic to your blogs because of your new content. By doing that it allows us to make money on the side from our blogs with whatever we put on them, banners, Adsense advertising, etc.
In all it is very true about having a good upline. As I take my responsibility quite high when it comes to helping people,I not only offer each member of my team a lending hand, but I also offer my phone number if they need me to walk them through the process.
And not once have I paid the Spiderweb System one penny to use their filtering system back office. Not one penny. Which is why it is said to be “a free System”.
If you have watched the promo video you will see he said that he will not ask you to spend one penny on the system. That is the SpiderWeb System.
And GDI alone is probably one of the most positive income streams anyone can make, for only ten dollars you have a bright option to make a lot of money just by signing up “free” trials. I also make a good amount of money from their $100 bonuses all the time.
And last but not least, the Self Bank Mobile is gonna be big. I already made a lot, and I did not do a thing… absolutely nothing!
As new streams of income get rolled out each day, you will see the potential of the Spiderweb System. You see the power of each stream has been implemented into each new persons home business. Instead of been bombarded by hundreds of spammed emails each week about great new marketing systems, you get everything in one pack for free and at most will spend a few dollars for 22 streams of income.
Let me see, if I have a minuscule down line of 2, I am still getting 44 streams of income. Hmm, sounds like a bargain to me.
If there are any people who come across this page and are doubtful about the Spiderweb System, please be advised you will not find a better option out there for your money. The SWS system will do all the work for you.
Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Gene
What you stated is true about not signing into anything that will cost, but the average marketer will go though the videos and follow them without question.
@Kevin, Have you personally made a post on the so-called “Support Forum”? I have, several times, and even though this forum is moderated I have yet to receive an answer.
My point is this.
I joined about a week ago with the intention of adding another income stream to my portfolio.
Going though the videos and following the instructions given, I still had a few questions for my “sponsors”, none of which have ever been answered.
I have joined Direct Matches as instructed, and found other members of the “SpiderWeb System”. I asked why, I cannot log into my blog admin, and why all of my so-called custom websites show “Kimall Pic” instead of mine?
The reply is always the same……..”I don’t know.”
So Kevin, if you have any answers for me, please post them.
I’ve read some positive reviews and some negative ones.
Clearly the SpiderWeb picture is not as rosy as Kevin painted for us.
I maintain that it’s People Not Systems that make all the difference. If you joined the SpiderWeb and you have a Kevin to mentor you great.
But most people are probably struggling on their own.
Is this a post written to simply drive controversial traffic to a persons DM affiliate link while shamelessly shooting down the agressive and impressive supplier of his competition that may be affecting his lead building techniques used on DM and MyS? Just checking!
Sadly, the fact is that newbies in marketing may be easily fooled by this and steered away from this same incredible Spider Web Marketing System opportunity that has helped many others build online residual income.
On a separate note folks, please try checking your junk mail and deleted folders after registering for any site like the SpiderWeb Marketing System. I’m not speaking to necessarily support SpiderWeb — although I do support them.
I am speaking to encourage all of you to not quit anything before you have completed everything that has been suggested in the program you are invlolved in. If others are succesful at something then you can have that same success. Isn’t it time to quit quitting?
I wish you all, including Larry, the success that you desire, and to position yourself as the hope and resource for your promising new members.
I let Steve’s comment stand in its entirety after correcting his spelling and syntax errors.
I appreciate Steve’s concerns about my motives as well as his wishes for success.
I’ll take the high road on this one and refrain from writing the type of sarcastic response that such a comment truly deserves.
Larry
If you’ve read down to here in the comments, you may also want to read ASD Ad Surf Daily Cash Generator Review. I briefly discuss the SpiderWeb Marketing System in that more recent article.
Be back soon to see your opinion of m-commerce - Meet-Franlin, Selfbank Mobile..
success2u b.s..
Why not ask me again in a couple of years, okay?
The reason I say that is that the lion’s share of businesses start out as great ideas but don’t take off, or do take off but run into cash flow or operational problems.
Not that longevity is any guarantee. I was with Excel Communications for many years, and they closed. Ironically, I had my best year with them the year before their last one.
Nevertheless, I focus on networking marketing businesses that have had success for five or ten years or longer.
I’m affliated with three such businesses, all in health and wellness, but each very different from the others. One of them I build completely online through my homegrown Lifestyles Intra site. Being a Baby Boomer, I big on health and wellness.
Now you know why I don’t invest a lot of energy in promoting social networking sites.
I love online social networking and social networking sites, but they make risky business propositions.
As I’ve grown older, I’ve become financially more conservative.
Larry, first of all, thank you for being the only HONEST person to put up a blog that I have seen.
Kevin, thank you also for your input into this.
And to PappaGrizz and others experiencing problems, I went through ALL of this the past three months.
I would also like to say to these people I have done the same things to get support and have not been able to reach anyone either. Oh yeah, until I emailed Vincente about joining the Black Widow Partnership. Then he emailed me and said he would look into it. I haven’t heard anything since.
But I have received multiple autoresponders from Kimball telling me to “call him” and he wanted to hear personally from me about the system. I called him 3 months ago and his phone won’t accept calls, the support email doesn’t respond back, and I did the same thing PappaGrizz did on the Support Forum and no one ever submits anything!
Tell me, Larry, what am I doing wrong?? Or so they all tell you that it’s your fault for failing.
Better yet, what am I doing wrong Kevin?
I think we all would like some type of support. I am “serious” about making money and all I have done is give out, like you said Larry. Also, I put in money into Adwords and Adsense. I set up all the streams, and so far, $0 IN my account. About $300 OUT. What do I do? I really would like to learn.
Larry, I would also be interested in learning what you think about Ann Sieg’s Renegade Network Marketer Program?
Hi Larry,
I too would like to know about Ann Sieg.
Donna
Jeffrey and Donna,
Anything I say about Ann Sieg is merely my opinion.
Ann is a very strong Internet network marketer. She leverages the Internet and web based strategies to build her businesses.
She was a big leader with Leaders Club, and now she’s a big leader with Send Out Cards.
She wrote a great e-book for disillusioned network marketers and created the Renegade System to support their efforts and give them a way to fund their marketing.
I think her system is probably over the head of most Internet newbies, but it’s very inexpensive and an opportinity to acquire some knowledge and develop some skills.
Her instruction is extremely well written but still chellenging for the newbie to follow. If you have good Internet skills, you can benefit tremendously from her system until you get around to developing your own.
Most newbies need somebody to hold their hand.
That’s why I have been teaching classes for a couple of years through my social media marketing training site, and that’s why I also teamed up with Diane Hochman at My Private Classroom.
We teach people how to use social media to build a web presence, and we do some amount of hand holding.
We also encourage people to become teachers themselves and to brand themselves as leaders.
I strongly recommend that you read my post, People Not Systems.
All the best,
Larry Brauner
Larry,
I appreciate your honest answer about Ann. I fully agree and am now a proud member of Send Out Cards.
But back to the original question about the Spider Web System.
I would like to know how and why I am using it so inefficiently?
Also, have you heard of Doran Andry and Joseph McClendon III, the Herbalife gurus?
What are your opinions on these two gentlemen and the Herbalife pyramid?
Jeffrey,
I have no way of knowing how and if you are using The SpiderWeb Marketing System inefficiently.
I’ve said it before, and I continue to believe that people not systems are the key to business suceess in network marketing and elsewhere.
I have never heard of Doran Andry and Joseph McClendon III, and I’m not big on the idea of gurus.
However, I can tell you that Herbalife is not a pyramid. It is a real business build around the retailing of weight loss and nutritional products.
Larry,
I guess it comes back to people having to figure the system out on their own. I get no support from SpiderWeb, therefore I have failed with it. On the other hand, I now use the 90-Day Marketer along with Ann Sieg’s Renegade System. I get excellent mentoring and coaching, and McKay Earl’s system is very clear and step-by-step.
I am new to Internet marketing, and I encourage anyone new to read Ann’s e-books. She teaches everything you talk about.
About Herbalife, I know that it is not a pyramid, legally speaking, but I also know that over 97% of distributors never earn a profit, and the compensation plan has very detailed “fine print” making it very difficult to become extremely wealthy or even well off.
This is one of the best discussion sites I have been to. Great job! I would like to speak with you in person sometime.
- To your profitable success!
Jeffrey Dietsche
Jeffrey,
You hit the nail on the head when you said, “I get excellent mentoring and coaching”. That’s more important than the system.
As far as Ann is concerned, her e-books are excellent, but as I said before, her plan is difficult for newbies to implement.
And as far as Herbalife is concerned, it’s centered around running a retail store from your home, and most people are not up to that. What’s more, the “supervisors” tend to frontload distributors with more product than they can sell.
Distributors aren’t really full fledged entities until they themselves become supervisors, so there’s a lot of pressure to advance to the Supervisor level.
You or any other reader may call me on my cell phone. You can find the number on my about page.
Larry,
Your points are correct and Ann Sieg’s plan IS difficult to implement. That is why her counterpart McKay Earl has created a coaching program in an easy step-by-step way to fully benefit from Ann’s leads. Yes, I said it, Ann let’s you use her own “personal” hot leads in her program. My personal coach has had success with the leads and he is what you would consider a “newbie”. In a short time, he has even learned and profited off of AdWords, which is unbelievable!
I agree with your idea about Herbalife and the pressure that is put on distributors.
But what about the pressure that is put on Supervisors?
They are the ones reported as losing the most money and are “overloaded” with entirely too much product by the Millionaires Team Mentors. I should know, I am a Supervisor and have over $3000 worth of product sitting in my back yard.
I would love to know how to get rid of it, but it is harder to sell than they make it out to be. I don’t feel like buying air and radio time from them at the cost of $1400 a month for 0 results, which it seems like now is how it usually is.
Hey guys,
All I say is this about the Spider Web: Go on YouTube NOW and check out ALL the people who are making loads of money after only a few weeks in it. And there’s proof too with an online camera dierctly onto their account!
I did a lot of research and am about to join.
If one fails, I believe that it’s because heor she has not put enough effort into the system. As for the dirty work in order to earn some money I’ll quote something for you, “I will do today what others are not willing to do, so that i will have tomorrow what others will not have”.
Come on cheer up and take my advice, especially the beginners in MLMs and network marketing.
Rule 1 - Do not hop from one business to another…stick to ONE business for at least 2 months even if you see no results.
Rule 2 - Believe in what you want, your desires, your dreams in life, and no matter what, you’ll have it…even if you don’t know how to do it…the brain will overcome huge obstacles which you’ll never imagine possible.
To your success,
-Daniel-
Great advice Daniel, but you forgot to mention Rules 3 and 4.
Rule 3 - Use common sense and don’t fall for hype.
Rule 4 - Look for an honest way to make money that adds value to the world you live in.
Good luck with your new venture!
Brilliantly put Larry! Love your posts!
- Jeff
Jeff,
If you like this SpiderWeb thread, you really ought to come read the Ad Surf Daily post and its back-and-forth comments.
That post is getting about 150 visits per day!
Some of the people reading that article have real money at stake.
I got a phone call from a guy who was very nervous and looking for reassurance. He put about $12,000 into the Ad Surf Daily program.
Larry
Larry,
Wow! And I was feeling bad about putting $4000 into HERBALIFE! I feel bad for that guy. Luckily, I only contributed about $150 into the SpiderWeb system and still have about $85 left on AdWords. Thank god there are guys like you out here to warn us when we are not in critical thinking mode and are just thinking about getting rich quick! I encourage everyone to listen to Larry and his wisdom because he has been through the MLM and Internet Marketing a lot longer than most of us have. I completely agree [about] the spamfest that is infesting marketing sites like DM and Yuwie. I really liked these sites and thought there might be potential for building relationships until I saw 7,000 of the same SpiderWeb spiels and this newest thing, GIFTING, what a crock! Anyway, I look forward to reading all of your material and have great respect for your views, even [when] I disagree with them.
Also Larry, I would love for you to write a blog about Herbalife warning people that [in my opinion] you must be willing to put up a HUGE risk to actually get any results, if any. Advertising can be very expensive and doesn’t always work out as great as these guys claim. It’s better to LEARN first what to do, rather than trust some TEAM LEADER on what to do, spending YOUR money in the process!
Jeff,
In my article, The Darker Side of Funded Proposals, I briefly discuss frontloading. I think the article is worth reading.
Frontloading is generally, not always, more the fault of the “team leaders” than the company.
If I were to take on all the companies that are plagued with frontloading, I’d have a full time job on my hands.
You’re right about the importance of learning. I myself spend time regularly learning and researching.
Just so you know, I mentor marketers including network marketers from quite a few companies.
I’m going offline until Saturday night. Take care Jeff and all.
Larry,
If I had known all the information I have learned in the last 3 months from yourself, Diane Hochman, and Ann Sieg, I would never have been “frontloaded” on. Even worse, I had a “bad gut feeling” about giving over the credit card info but was “living on a dream” at the time. A lesson learned to everyone, “go with your gut feeling”! Also, live and learn. I cannot wait to start learning even more and training with MY PRIVATE CLASSROOM.
- Jeff
Hi Larry,
I am also a member of the SpiderWeb System and I am getting very frustrated. I have been in it for about 3 weeks. The support or your upline is posted in your back office but, they use a website or capture page for their email address. The only thing they have listed is their phone numbers. The forum is not running simply because they do not have the personnel to do it. They are working on getting the system launched. So there is really no support at all.
I did find my upline on one of the social networks and I have sent her an email but she has not yet returned the email.
On top of this, I cannot get to my back office. I don’t know what they are doing but I get something completely different. I get a different website. I also tried logging into my own website but it seems that the login links only link to the new website and not the back office. Maybe Kevin can shed some light on this. Talk about being frustrated to the point of quitting.
Great post!
Sheryl
Can somebody help Sheryl?
Sheryl, I’ve been telling people all along that success is about people, not systems.
For a complete list of articles in this blog, please refer to the site map.
All these posts are interesting.
I came here to find current info on Spiderweb. I started the video series a few weeks ago, then got busy with real life but came back to it a few days ago. Then when I went back to it yesterday I couldn’t find it. I Googled it but all the links kept sending me to a generic affiliate page I had seen many times before, you know the green and white one with the picture of the cute young school girl on it.
But no Spiderweb.
And since there is no email address that I can find I’m lost. Like Sheryl in an earlier post I can’t get into the “Back Office”. I guess it can’t be a scam since it’s free, but something smells fishy. If it’s still in beta like some posts say, maybe it’s just temporary. If anyone knows and can email me that would be great.
Thanks,
Joe
songboyjar@yahoo.com
All I can suggest is that you search back through your old mail to see if you can find a welcome letter.
And if you find yourself feeling down about it, be happy you didn’t join Ad Surf Daily.
People over there are worried about losing big bucks.
In response to Sheryl and Joe,
I joined the SpiderWeb System in March thinking that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Later on to realize, that is all it is.
The next latest, greatest thing that will not survive [just] like ASD.
Real learning and education is the only thing that will survive the “test of time”.
You have already done the right thing and read Larry’s blog. He is a TRUE mentor along with people like Ann Sieg and Diane Hochman who really CARE about teaching people how to market the right way, at a low cost (keep in mind that I do not personally know these people but have studied their characters as compared to others in Internet marketing).
Always find out first who will give you their # and information and who will talk with you for REAL. An autoresponder is necessary for certain applications, but will NEVER give you a person-to-person call.
Anytime your SpiderWeb System emails say “Hey, call me I’m interested in how you’re doing” just call Kimball and find out if he talks to you or not.
Like Larry said, people not systems create success!
To all of our learning and success!
- Jeffrey
Hello again,
It’s The Dean… Black Widow Partner in SWS
Good stuff and I enjoyed the comments to the comments, etc.
My suggestion is that anyone that is interested in knowing more about the SWS would be to listen in on a live Q&A session about the Spider Web System. (I have given you the info below.) The people that have concerns about the direction of the company or anything to do with the future plans can tune in via web and/or phone. Kimball Roundy takes live questions, which I think is a bit risky, but shows the character and his belief in SWS! Anyone one on the fence needs to make an informed decision on this or any program that they think they might like to join and this will help. I am a Black Widow and I share in the success of the program. I also have integrety and will not knowingly scam people. It is my feeling that if this is handled correctly it will be a stellar education for all those involved. Will it have problems…YES! Will they get addressed? Only if the SWS wants to be long term! Time will tell.
I still can’t believe that whenever a new Windows comes out that WE PAY to debug it! And we know that we will do it again, but that’s a whole nother thing!
Let’s get back to The SWS…
Please also keep in mind that the SWS is in beta and so far the response had been nothing short of incredible. I got over 2100 signups in one day…sad to say that it was a computer mess up and the same person signed up for all but 3 of the new memberships. I was in heaven, but for only a few seconds!!!
Without making this sound like a left handed recruiting technique, I’d like to say that
I am open to assist anyone that has questions re the SWS and will be happy to work with them, even if they are not in my downline. A strong sponsor is important in the beginning of any start up, as I’m sure you will agree! It also helps to be patient!!!
Here is the info for the live calls on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays:
Here is the updated info on the Spider Conference Calls…
Let me know what you need help with, HAGO
The Dean
Dean
Would like you to help since you offered. I am sure others would be interested also.
Please e-mail me at slsixfigures@gmail.com
Thanks in advance
Suzanne
Thank you so much for this post and for this blog! I almost fell for the pitch of this program, but being smart for once, I went looking for opinions and found you. No SMS for me.
In reply to Denise,
Don’t confuse SWS as a scam. Be glad you didn’t buy into the ASD propoganda!
SWS is a very good idea. If you are naturally good at persuading people and have a large circle of friends and aquaintances SWS could probably be amazing!
Stay away from all those “free” money programs like cash gifting and ad surfing machines. Otherwise, you’ll have to buy into the fact that you can make a living at casinos, if you follow those programs!
I prefer to put in some hard work and learn how to market by reading material that is either free or has little cost (nothing is really ever FREE).
Some very good e-books include Ann Sieg’s 7 Great Lies of Network Marketing. This has very great information and is free.
I also understand that My Private Classroom by Diane Hochman contains very good material and some is free.
If you want to learn the nuts and bolts of Network Marketing, do what you’ve been doing and investigate until you find out who you can really trust.
Larry is definitely one of these people. I always read his articles and consider him a mentor.
- Jeff
This is really great stuff Larry! How about doing a blog exposing cash gifting scams?
- Jeff
I just wrote a blog about Ning Social Networking Sites which were called “the next big thing” by Business Week.
Hi Richard (Dick Tolar posted comment on June 17th, 2008 4:27 am).
The e-mail address for the SpiderWeb System’s support is partnersupport @ roundgoods dot com
I just heard it in the teleconference call.
SpiderWeb is a toughie: I see Brian Bear ripping through GDI because of the SWS yet here I am with 3 GDI downlines and not much happening outside of that. I’m sure that it’s worth keeping it because as time goes on it’s only going to get bigger and better but when there are so many worrisome people out there concerned about internet security, our margin of 1 billion worldwide internet users decreases inherently.
I’m confident that as we continue to market and work the SWS, it will prove more effective than predecessors because it can be set up for free and left to its own devices.
This is a great debate and everyone’s input makes perfect sense. But what I haven’t seen (and I do apologize if I’ve missed it) is that maybe some of us use the SpiderWeb Marketing System as an educational tool to improve our marketing strategies. I’ve been an Internet and network marketer for quite some time now and actually learned a few things just signing up for the free system.
I have a great mentor in my existing business and we even have an exclusive team training website not to mention weekly training webinars. But I still find it necessary to continue to learn and educate myself to make things better. I have certainly learned something from the SpiderWeb System and will put those strategies to use in improving my current wellness business.
So yes, we should try new things and continue to learn. I am also in the wellness industry and plan on sticking with my company even though I found the SpiderWeb System. Just another valuable tool in my marketing arsenal.
All the best-
Sean
Sean,
I completely agree. I have also learned a great deal through Kimball’s videos, not even realizing it.
The problem is that the system wants you to be just another ROBOT in a system of DROIDS.
I prefer to learn copywriting and all the other necessary skills involved. Although the SWS is benefiting you in the short run, it just means that you are dependant on that system.
Don’t get me wrong, use all the systems that benefit YOU, just look at the big picture and realize that it isn’t about the schemes or even your MLM company, it’s about YOU!
- Jeff
How do you get paid with the SWS? Do you receive checks in the mail? Is it something where you have to give bank account information for a direct deposit? Do you really see the money? How long does it take to receive money, weekly, bi-weekly, monthly? I don’t see any of these questions answered…..I’m really curious…..skeptical too.
Suz,
This is an official answer, Somebody jump in and correct me if I’m wrong.
The SpiderWeb Marketing System is a collection of seperate programs. Each has its own income stream, and each pays you according to it own particular terms and conditions.
Hope this helps.
Larry
PS Please read some of the other articles on my blog while you’re here.
Suz,
The SWS is a multiple referral system. Instead of sharing products and trying to sign people up with an MLM, you are signing up people to make commissions off that particular program’s guidelines. For instance, you sign someone up for GDI at $10 a month and you get paid $1 every month, or whatever it is, for as long as they have the account. This goes multiple levels wide and deep.
He has 22 different programs to where you become an affiliate and will make money off the different streams. The point is to get someone to follow the video series and they will get people who will follow people to create a massive downline and therefore you will make lots of money.
The problem lies with the fact that EVERYTHING is copycatted. You use all the same sites, text, HTML, and replace it with YOUR information. How are you supposed to get anyone interested in your plan if 20 people a day send you the same exact email with their picture? I don’t know about you, but I just delete them. After all, I don’t want to join someone else’s SpiderWeb System. I want people to join me!
You can also set up Adwords and use that to drive traffic to your personal SWS site. My personal opinion with this is that Google is the one really benefiting off of this. I’ve spent more than I’ve ever earned!
As far as direct deposit goes, you need to ALWAYS provide your bank account information to do this. You can also create a free PayPal account, which is a better way to protect all of your personal banking info. Some of the programs will pay you by check or however you want it set up, while some will only do it one way. It just depends on the company. You usually have options, though.
I personally followed all the videos and steps, signed up for the necessary sites and affiliate plans, and even purchased advanced credit for AdWords. So far, I’ve had plenty of hits to my site but zero sign ups. My total spent going through the system is about $200.00. The total I have made to date is $0.00. All in all, this is not too bad of a gamble. I could have followed HERBALIFE’s plan at $1200-$1500 a month and been living on the streets right now.
Understand that this is only one person’s opinion about the SWS. There are many others making tons of money with it. Unfortunately, at the multiple losses of many others. I hope this information helps you out.
-to your Success!
- Jeffrey Dietsche
Good comment Jeffrey. I wonder, how are things working out with the automated blogs?
By the way, thanks for coming over to My Private Claasroom. I hope you’ll find it to be a great training resource.
Larry
Larry,
From what I understand, the automated blog has been discontinued by SWS. Some of the income streams have been discontinued also by the companies like Google AdWords.
If I am wrong with any of this information, anyone who knows please inform me. This was just the latest news that I have found out. I no longer use the SWS
Thanks.
Jeff
Since this review many things have chanced with the SpiderWeb Marketing System. Google AdWords have been removed, automated blogs have been removed and new streams have been added. I can honestly say I have reviewed this system myself and it is indeed a very profitable system that has the potential to make you $5,000-$10,000 per month.
Dan
I also decided to give SWS a whirl, though I was still skeptical with the “100% Free” jargon.
This post pretty much nips this in the bud. Too many clones of the same “product” will result in saturation and dilution of the program. Too many people trying the same thing will eventually result in the vast majority spending far more money than they intended to with little to no return.
That’s the thing that kills me about these “work from home” programs. You always have to spend more money than you intended to, and yet for some reason I’ve always been suckered into these programs.
I took a peek at all of the videos, and surprise, surprise, the only way to “maximize” your returns is if you spend money to upgrade memberships.
I never got the chance to look at how much I would have to spend, but it’s madness.
I’m sure there are people who have profited greatly from the Spider Web System. Kudos to them.
For the rest of us, it’s madness.
Matt,
I recommend reading Home Based Businesses Don’t Work, a “Home Business Survival Crash Course”, and My Private Classroom Opens to Public.
Matt,
If you listen to the founder, Kimball Roundy on his very first video he states that the reason he can give the system away for “free” is because he knows that he will make around $400 or so from you, even if you don’t see it through. I agree with you completely and I am also a “magnet” to these schemes. If you’ve ever heard someone say, “Well, you won’t know until you give it a try!”. So you end up trying it and he monetizes off you so there is no loss in his favor. The people that make money off the system are very “influential” people and have a large circle of friends, maybe even family. The average online starter like you and I will not make it.
However, The SWS does have some EXCELLENT training videos and if you utilize them you can learn a great amount about affiliate marketing and setting up websites, etc. They also introduced me to Direct Matches and Yuwie where there is a great opportunity to create relationships. My Private Classroom has a ton of excellent training videos that teach you how to get leads for free or very little money. Of all the programs I have researched it is one of the most “valuable” training sites on the internet. At the same time, no one comes out and tries to spam sell you anything. It is more like a friendly environment, a hang-out spot for business people, marketers, and Internetwork marketers.
-Jeffrey Dietsche
Another website promising great riches. Will they ever end? I too read most of the website and thought how many times I saw and read the word “FREE!”, completely FREE!
Then when you actually go to set everything up you are STRONGLY encouraged to get your own domain name for ONLY $10 a month. Of course now you are warned that if you do not take this important step the system basically will not work for you. NICE!
So I bet that many others fell for this. But I can almost guarantee you that it will not stop at the $10 a month sign up fee. I’ll bet there are other hidden fees along the road.
Looks like I’ll be sending this website to the Better Business Bureau, FTC, and the Postmaster General for a possible legal violation of false advertising. If you think they will not listen, think again.
This is what I do for a living. I am employed by these agencies to monitor and investigate illegal money scams via the Internet and postal mail. There are many of us out there (who earn a legitimate living) simply because these agencies cannot keep up with the volume of new scams cropping up in the marketplace.
My advice to everyone, if it sounds to good to be true, IT IS!
I also find it funny that founder Kimball Roundy always talks about DM and Yuwie being SPAM fests, but he teaches you how to be the Ultimate Spammer. His comments on the videos also include the fact that he doesn’t waste his time on the phone talking to people and that prospecting is already done for you with no need to follow up. To my surprise, when you actually get a lead he states in his email “The best way to utilize the SWS is to follow up with your prospect. I encourage you to call this lead as a personal relationship is the best way to introduce your business”. Did I miss something?? You can find many instances of him saying something and teaching the opposite through his videos.
I recommend following Ann Sieg’s system or My Private Classroom where there is a lot more support. New people are led in the right direction and are taught marketing strategies and WHY they work. The SWS teaches you some of the HOW but none of the WHY!
And to back up John’s statement, If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is! Be careful out there.
Jeffrey Dietsche
HELP!!!
I don’t know if I’m blind or what the problem is, but is there no support with SpiderWeb Systems?
I’ve yet to see my capture page working, and I’m in day 5 with SWS. I have listened to the tutorials over and over and still cant figure out what I have done wrong. Is there an email or phone number to call SWS????
Surely somewhere out there someone knows how to get in touch with SWS.
Teri
Teri,
You surely are NOT blind. The SWS has just pulled the WEB over your eyes! (Ha ha, but seriously, all tacky jokes aside…) There is in fact a way to get support from the SWS… no, 2 ways. Here they are:
1. Join the Black Widow Membership program for the modest price of $999.00
2. Kimball would be happy to meet you and I can forward you over the email he sent me. ( oh yeah, you need to pay to attend the seminar first )
A third option would be to scroll through these comments and possibly get in touch with a) Kevin b) buzzirk spider c) digital nomad d) the “dean” menier.
I don’t know about you, but this sounds more like the latest character line up from the new “Spiderman” series.
If none of these ideas work out for you, I would recommend putting some trust in old fashioned “learning” and “training” and take a free look at what guys like Larry Brauner and My Private Classroom can do for YOU and accelerating your own personal learning curve.
And if you ever would like to talk, 100% SPAM free, just click on my name and I would be happy to get in touch with you and to assist you in any way possible.
To your continued success!
Jeffrey Dietche