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Pay It Forward for Profits, a quasi downline club pretending to be a funded proposal, collapsed last year. I hoped people would learn a lesson from it.

Members were funneled into marginal programs such as GDI and Empowerism for the sake of the income streams they provided — and perhaps too because the Pay It Forward founders had a prior interest in those programs. Members had sought to promote their primary businesses when joining PIF4P, but that idea typically got lost in the shuffle.

My Private ClassroomAs Diane Hochman used to teach in My Private Classroom webinars, marketing systems are simply not sustainable. They implode once a large enough number of users adopt or tout the system.

Rather than develop or teach systems and shortcuts, Diane Hochman and I teach key leadership skills and offer excellent social media marketing training.

After all, isn’t it better to invest a few months to develop strong marketing and communication skills that will serve us a lifetime than to invest the same effort in a system that might make us a few fast bucks if we’re lucky?

It’s not good to rely solely on a marketing system to build a business, but when the system itself is the product, as was the case with Pay It Forward for Profits, then the ultimate end comes quickly, usually within a year or two, and the program is completely wiped out.

Unfortunately most people don’t learn. They blame their result on bad luck or external circumstances and jump on one of the next bandwagons to come along.

As Alexander Pope said, “Hope springs eternal in the human breast,” and new marketing schemes appear every week.

Caution Recommended

What’s astonishing about The Spiderweb Marketing System is how closely it resembles Pay It Forward. When I signed up and looked inside, I could hardly believe my eyes. There was GDI front and center, just as it was in PIF4P.

That’s where the automated blogs are set up. Global Domains is the first paid component of this free system.

Hmm. Did I just say that?

I guess the system isn’t free. Users buy overpriced web services for $10 per month from GDI in order to use The SpiderWeb Marketing System.

When you get to the Direct Matches* sign up, you really can sign up for free. However, if you do, you won’t be able to implement the Direct Matches piece of the traffic system — better pay another $10 per month for that. I think I’m beginning to see a pattern here.

Ever hear of bait-and-switch?

Sorry. Let’s call it upsell.

There are multiple income streams — some pretty good. And there’s no made-up story about funded proposals like with Pay It Forward for Profits — also good. However, I wish they were up front about the cost. Spider Web is not a free system.

Many people will join Spider looking for multiple streams of income, but instead they’ll find themselves saddled down with multiple streams of outgo.

Oh, there is one other thing. In addition to clogging the Direct Matches MyMail system with spammy messages, The SpiderWeb Marketing System is a proponent and proliferator of automated blogs.

An automated blog is a system generated blog. The system creates the blog and pumps posts into the blogosphere faster than you can say “global warming”.

I just though of a name for this new phenomenon, it’s a blog infestation.

Okay. Needs some work. Give me some time. I’ll think of a better one.

All kidding aside, I can’t understand why somebody would want to spend hours spamming members at Direct Matches and Yuwie while polluting the blogosphere on auto-pilot.

There’s a moral issue too which I hope to discuss in detail in a future post. For now, consider this. When somebody visits a blog, they assume that it’s the journal of a real live person — not the fiction of a computer program. How can this type of impersonation be right?

Kimball Roundy, creator of the Spider System, has given us something interesting to watch. We’ll get to see how Google and the other search engines cope with his quasi-blogs and how visitors react to them as well. We’ll also get to see if automated blogs are really scalable and if a substantial numbers of people actually make money with them.

Meanwhile please be careful. If you see a low hanging spider web, duck!

Speaking of ducks, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it’s a duck. I wish we could still say that about a blog. ;-)

*Direct Matches happens to be one of my favorite social networking sites. Too bad it’s going to be overrun yet again with spammers. I was so relieved when Pay It Forward fell by the wayside. Now I’ll have to put up with another wave of spamming for a year or so until The Spider Web Marketing System runs its course.

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  1. Julia on May 20th, 2008 7:08 pm


    Thanks for sharing. I find what you say interesting. I am new to the area of blogging and have joined with spiderweb marketing. I did do some search beforehand on it and felt that with my knowledge that it didn’t represent anything wrong. As I said I am new.

    I am learning all the time, and I was interested in your comment about it: “There’s a moral issue too which I hope to discuss in detail in a future post. For now, consider this. When somebody visits a blog, they assume that it’s the journal of a real live person — not the fiction of a computer program. How can this type of impersonation be right?”

    I had not thought of this like this, and as I believe in doing things in excellence, I will need to look into this.

    What I have learnt though is how to set up Adwords and Commission Junction, so I’m thankful for the videos taking me through this.

    Have a great day.


  2. Kevin on May 21st, 2008 7:20 am

    First and foremost, your opinion that GDI is a marginal program does not make it a fact.

    Diane Hochman is correct…marketing systems are simply not sustainable. However, the only ones that implode are the ones that do not have hands-on leadership who combine ‘High-Tech’ with ‘High-Touch.’ A teachable, duplicatable system WILL work long-term as long as there are leaders within the network who make it stand the test of time.

    Any savvy networking leader knows that marketing systems alone end quickly.

    You cannot blame the people who don’t learn their lesson. They had no leadership to guide them in the marketing program they chose. The only ones I ‘blame’ are the ones who have the leadership, but are not willing to learn or willing to work consistently enough to succeed.

    The SpiderWebSystem IS free. Users have a choice on whether or not to buy into the income stream generators within SpiderWebSystem. You mistakenly state that GDI’s services are overpriced at $10 per month. A domain name, 10-page build-it-yourself website, 10 email addresses, state-of-the-art hosting, along with experienced leadership support system upline and tools certainly justify $10 per month.

    As far as Direct Matches is concerned…bait and switch is not even close to your description. I have not ONCE used Direct Matches to prospect anyone for Spider, other than the free classified. I upgraded (out of choice) to Executive @ $29.95 per month, and have received a weekly residual check consistently from that stream alone in SpiderSystem.

    Spider Web is a free system…period. There is no need to mention the costs of income streams that SpiderWebSystem members can choose from, once they are enrolled. They can discover their options once they sign up. There is nothing wrong, for example, with a restaurant offering their patrons additional menu items once they are seated. They can choose whatever they want.

    As far as people joining Spider looking for multiple streams of income, but instead finding themselves saddled down with multiple streams of outgo…HEY…That’s their OWN fault, for not following what their leaders are teaching them, in terms of building their network and income streams. I don’t blame Spider for their lack of proper activity to produce the revenue. If people want to spend money and not do what it takes to generate revenue to justify their investment, blame THEM, not the system.

    As far as the Automated Blogs are concerned, not only do Spider users have the benefit of automated updates, but they can login, after being educated by the leaders of course, and update their OWN unique content, in ADDITION to the automation. That way they can take control of their rankings in search engines. If there were no opportunity to do that alone, I would agree with your philosophy on ‘quasi-blogs.’

    The internet itself is overrun with spammers and so was Direct Matches even before SpiderWeb. Again…it’s not Spider that is causing the spam…it is ignorant human beings who are uneducated to know how to use the social networks properly. Don’t blame the System. Instead, blame the “unwilling to be educated” people who, like in ALL programs, abuse the systems.

    The Spider Web Marketing System will stand the test of time based on the ability of its LEADERS to teach, train and duplicate the system with those who are willing to learn and willing to work. The SpiderWebSystem will succeed in spite of naysayers who attempt to predict and dictate the success or failure of the system while being ignorant of its leadership.

    Make it a wonderful day!


  3. Larry Brauner on May 21st, 2008 11:48 am


    Your remarks are intelligent, and while I don’t agree with all your points, they are well taken.

    Now what remains to be seen is how effective Spider leadership will be and how well the Spider plan will work in a world where people tend to ignore instructions and to follow the path of least resistance.


  4. Kevin on May 21st, 2008 12:22 pm


    In a world where people tend to ignore instructions and follow the path of least resistance, you and I both know that a percentage WILL follow instructions, no matter WHAT program they follow. That alone will drive the success of a leader-driven organization. Every team is as good as its coach.

    The law of averages bend in the favor of those who follow first and then earn the right to leadership.

    It’s not even a question: “Will the Spider Plan work?” It’s a question of how many people can leaders gather and teach to make the law of averages work in their favor?

    Again…I never ‘blame’ a System for its success or failure. Nor will I announce to the world that it is doomed to failure based on past similar systems. It’s people with vision and belief or lack thereof, that make or break anything.

    Thank you for the compliment and the opportunity to voice in your blog.

    Let’s talk, sometime.

    Best regards,


  5. Terri on May 22nd, 2008 7:37 am

    Thanks for the warning!

    I hate it when the truth isn’t told BEFORE I get involved in something.

  6. Larry Brauner on May 22nd, 2008 9:42 am

    Thanks to Kevin, you’ve been able to read two different views on the Spiderweb Marketing System.

  7. buzzirk spider on June 8th, 2008 8:58 pm

    I think Selfbank Mobile with the Spider is a great idea.

    It could make history.

    Good blog.



  8. digitalnomad on June 12th, 2008 11:43 am

    Should join and test it, Larry. Then you could evaluate the system, instead of making general comments.

    I think Kevin has a handle on it. Follow his lead.

  9. Larry Brauner on June 12th, 2008 12:59 pm

    I’m sure that I could make money with the Spiderweb System, but it would be at the expense of others losing their money, and it would involve tactics that I do not care for, as I mentioned in my post.

    One other point.

    I need not jump off the Brooklyn Bridge in order to recommend that others refrain from doing so.

  10. digitalnomad on June 13th, 2008 11:03 am

    Oh I don’t know, I think you should always test new ideas when it comeS to marketing.

    What’s wrong with promoting affiliate links? Isn’t that what you are doing with this post and blog?

    If the system does not work, just stop doing it. I don’t see how SpiderWeb is much different than what you are promoting.

    Certainly there is an equal chance to spend money, which is not the same as losing money.

  11. Larry Brauner on June 13th, 2008 11:46 am

    Not the same.

    The Spiderweb Marketing System is a downline building system, not merely an affiliate marketing program. People are being recruited into a money making scheme. They join because they want to recruit others and make money.

    Such a program is much different than selling books or web hosting or other products and services.

    I do not object to money making programs. I actually like them. It’s only certain aspects of the Spider Web System that bother me.

    Also, testing new ideas makes a lot of sense, but you cannot reasonably expect to test every one that presents itself.

  12. Dick Tolar on June 17th, 2008 4:27 am

    I joined the Spiderweb System.

    The one, make that two, things that stand out is the problem of support. I can’t find any.

    The other problem is the small problem of there is no e-mail address to ask for support.

    Actually, there isn’t any e-mail address that I can find.

    I didn’t notice that until I ran into a problem the other day.

    What I find even more amazing is that I cannot find any comments anywhere about the “No Email” issue.

    It may be possible that I am the only one that has even considered asking for help from support.

    Okay, Spiderweb is free, and that is good. However, if there is a problem one should be able to ask how to fix the problem.

    And the forum is down!

    Also, the auto-blog is mentioned above. I’ve been in the “Spiderweb” 9 days so far and I still do not have the “auto-blog” or any of the “custom” pages. Which brings to the forefront the “no email” problem contacting support.

    An Aside: This is a very good blog.


  13. Larry Brauner on June 17th, 2008 10:22 am

    Sounds frustrating Richard, but I wwill be surprised if these issues don’t get ironed out, one way or another.

    I have been active in the home business world since I joined the now defunct Excel Communications back in 1997. As time has gone by I’ve become increasingly conservative and more and more concerned with integrity issues.

    Integrity in the home business world is pretty scarce. Companies, individual teams and personal sponsors all have the potential to disappoint us in this regard.

    I am currently part of three home businesses. All three are with strong companies that manufacture and sell excellent products.

    In the first, my sponsor is dishonest. In the second, my whole upline has flaked on me. In the third, everything is in order and I’m very optimistic.

    I won’t quit the first two, since I do get checks from each every month. However, my heart isn’t in them.

    The strength of networking businesses is also their weakness, i.e., people.

    Thank you for you compliment about my blog Richard. As I mentioned in Blogging and Search Engine Marketing, I’m relatively new to blogging. However, I’m very commited to blogs and blog marketing.


  14. Arne Bush on June 17th, 2008 11:24 am

    Hi Larry,

    I appreciate your blog, and believe you to be honest in your efforts. I have to take issue with some of your presumptions, however.

    First, The SpiderWeb Marketing System IS free, and Kimball is very forthcoming in the intital videos where he clearly states that joining GDI is optional. No reasonable person would assume that there would never be a cost for anything. No business can be run cost-free.

    I do agree with your concerns about the auto blog. The good news is that it is totally customizable. I would strongly encourage everyone using the system to use the auto-posts as a starting point, adding their own, unique content - even dumping the auto-posts in favor of this. OR, use the auto-posts to generate ideas for original content.

    I was involved in Pay It Forward For Profits. The difference between the two systems is remarkable. The training is superior, and the business opportunities very main-stream. I believe this system will endure, because it offers an incrdible amout of value, at NO COST. I’ve been involved for a couple months now, and although I certainly haven’t gotten rich overnight, I am making money - primarily from GDI and Direct Matches, with an occasional payment from Google.

    With regards to another poster’s assertion that support is not available; the email address for support is displayed on the login page.

    One final point - maybe the most important yet: The system has not been officially released. It is still in beta mode. Any support issues will be resolved once all of the bugs are worked out.

    Keep up the good work!


  15. Larry Brauner on June 17th, 2008 1:30 pm


    To me mainstream means people buy products and services on a long term basis because they like them and find their price acceptable — not merely because of the potential for income.

    Although I love Direct Matches, I do not consider GDI and Direct Matches to be mainstream programs. And as I recall they were both part of Pay It Forward For Profits.

    Real mainstream programs, although they have some amount of customer churn, provide stable ongoing income. Perhaps there are some such programs in the Spiderweb portfolio.


  16. Pauline on June 18th, 2008 9:13 am

    Hi Larry,

    This is a great blog as it’s very educative, and I appreciate the fact that you have an audience of members of the Spiderweb System.

    I am so new to network marketing, and I’m learning a great deal every day while trying not to make to many mistakes.

    I joined the Spiderweb System June 1st and understand that it’s in beta mode. So it looks like until all the bugs have been ironed out, the system’s full potential cannot be realized.

    As for support, I’ve sent an email to the moderator; hopefully I’ll get a response, because I’m not yet a Black Widow member.

    Arne, I take that revenue earned from Google is from Adsense that is on you blog… meaning if the blog is not up, Adsense can’t be set up.. Right? Please correct me if I’m wrong, as my auto blog is not set up even though my front page has been set up.

    Keep the blog going, really helpful.


  17. rhmillion on June 18th, 2008 4:51 pm

    Wow, this is a very interesting blog.

    I am new to the Internet world as far as marketing. I came across the Spiderweb System, and well, I guess I am kinda curious. After reading this, I’m not sure what to do! I want to know more about the system, but I don’t wanna get scammed either. So now I’m really confused.

    Please help.


  18. Larry Brauner on June 18th, 2008 6:19 pm

    I’ll be happy to help.

    A lot depends on what you want to accomplish and what skills you already have.

    Even though you’re new to marketing on the Internet, if you have good people, that will make a big difference.

  19. digitalnomad on June 21st, 2008 4:27 pm

    Yes Larry, I came across this while beta testing SpiderWeb. It is one of the new streams of income they have recently added called SelfBank.

    I would be interested to hear what you think of this particular idea. I think SelfBank has the potential to be the next PayPal. Call me crazy, but the debate continues.

    I have learned to embrace technology…well, at least attempt being an early adopter. The link to my name in this post is my affiliate link (full disclosure). I did join to check this out and to see what it is all about.

    I must admit that I missed out on both MindSpring and Google when they went IPO. So now I like to test things out and see for myself. Now I go back to promoting the rugged notebooks niche and mobililty.

  20. Nick on June 22nd, 2008 12:59 pm

    Hello Larry,

    Great post… really!

    I’m a Spiderweb Black Widow Member. I payed $497 for that, and I don’t regret it… but at the same time I must agree with some of your concerns.

    The bottom line is that you need to find a helpful sponsor to get the most from Spiderweb, mainly because, as ithers already stated, there is a real lack of support in the system

    Personally I am enough skilled to take care of myself, but one person out of every five I refer e-mails me to ask for help, which I’m very pleased to give.

    This should be a golden rule for everyhting, BEFORE joining any program or system, search the web for a good sponsor, contact him and test if he or she can really help you.

    Nick, from Italy

  21. Natalie on June 22nd, 2008 9:31 pm

    I was actually interested in Spiderweb. It sounded terrific!

    I signed up for the free system password to log in……it has been two days!

    So i started to look for the developer of the system……wait a minute you cannot find any solid contact info, and you still want to join?

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Okay, after searching for some solid info on the company, I came across this blog!

    It was very informative. I found the conversations very intelligent and insightful. I believe that what you put in is what you get out! But certainly this blog was helpful in my formative stages.

  22. Larry Brauner on June 22nd, 2008 10:33 pm

    @Nick from Italy

    Kevin stated above, “The Spider Web Marketing System will stand the test of time based on the ability of its LEADERS to teach, train and duplicate the system with those who are willing to learn and willing to work.”

    Seems so far that there are a lot of kinks to iron out, and that the ability of some of the leaders — probably not Kevin — is very much in question.

    Looking back at my years in network marketing since 1997, my biggest issue has been the ability of the leadership to train, not just to inspire.


  23. Gene Wolff on June 29th, 2008 1:58 pm

    Well Larry, you make some valid points about the blog. And also about your opinion. But the funny thing is I have made a lot from this system and only spent a marginal amount of cash to get this.

    I have also learned how to filter my capture pages through multiple streams of income — that are free and lucrative at the same time — through a auto-responder. Before that I had no clue. I now drive massive amounts of traffic to my blog and also my custom capture pages.

    I can almost guarantee that somewhere down the line you will be a part of this system, as it is growing and achieving a substantial number of members who are becoming successful at the the same time.

    In regards to the system been free, and you saying it is not, with the costs of memberships to DM and GDI, well you see the system is free. That is, the system of filtering your leads to other streams of income. You are getting free access to the back office, the set up tabs, the videos, the other streams of income that others fail to utilize and all this for signing up.

    And you don’t have to close any sales to get people to sign to these streams of income. The back office set up does that for you. And that is free. You are also gonna have to pay for web hosting somewhere else, might as well be GDI and get paid for it!

    Network marketing is about virally sharing your businesses and news. The automated blog is a viral effect. Not only is the blog giving you a content rich page for the search engines, but it is also building you a nice income through Adsense that pays for your membership costs to DM and GDI.

    Search Engines drive traffic to your blogs because of your new content. By doing that it allows us to make money on the side from our blogs with whatever we put on them, banners, Adsense advertising, etc.

    In all it is very true about having a good upline. As I take my responsibility quite high when it comes to helping people,I not only offer each member of my team a lending hand, but I also offer my phone number if they need me to walk them through the process.

    And not once have I paid the Spiderweb System one penny to use their filtering system back office. Not one penny. Which is why it is said to be “a free System”.

    If you have watched the promo video you will see he said that he will not ask you to spend one penny on the system. That is the SpiderWeb System.

    And GDI alone is probably one of the most positive income streams anyone can make, for only ten dollars you have a bright option to make a lot of money just by signing up “free” trials. I also make a good amount of money from their $100 bonuses all the time.

    And last but not least, the Self Bank Mobile is gonna be big. I already made a lot, and I did not do a thing… absolutely nothing!

    As new streams of income get rolled out each day, you will see the potential of the Spiderweb System. You see the power of each stream has been implemented into each new persons home business. Instead of been bombarded by hundreds of spammed emails each week about great new marketing systems, you get everything in one pack for free and at most will spend a few dollars for 22 streams of income.

    Let me see, if I have a minuscule down line of 2, I am still getting 44 streams of income. Hmm, sounds like a bargain to me.

    If there are any people who come across this page and are doubtful about the Spiderweb System, please be advised you will not find a better option out there for your money. The SWS system will do all the work for you.

    Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.


  24. Al (PaPaGrizz) Nelson on July 2nd, 2008 5:18 pm

    What you stated is true about not signing into anything that will cost, but the average marketer will go though the videos and follow them without question.

    @Kevin, Have you personally made a post on the so-called “Support Forum”? I have, several times, and even though this forum is moderated I have yet to receive an answer.

    My point is this.

    I joined about a week ago with the intention of adding another income stream to my portfolio.

    Going though the videos and following the instructions given, I still had a few questions for my “sponsors”, none of which have ever been answered.

    I have joined Direct Matches as instructed, and found other members of the “SpiderWeb System”. I asked why, I cannot log into my blog admin, and why all of my so-called custom websites show “Kimall Pic” instead of mine?

    The reply is always the same……..”I don’t know.”

    So Kevin, if you have any answers for me, please post them.

  25. Larry Brauner on July 7th, 2008 6:53 pm

    I’ve read some positive reviews and some negative ones.

    Clearly the SpiderWeb picture is not as rosy as Kevin painted for us.

    I maintain that it’s People Not Systems that make all the difference. If you joined the SpiderWeb and you have a Kevin to mentor you great.

    But most people are probably struggling on their own.

  26. Steve Leblanc on July 9th, 2008 3:00 am

    Is this a post written to simply drive controversial traffic to a persons DM affiliate link while shamelessly shooting down the agressive and impressive supplier of his competition that may be affecting his lead building techniques used on DM and MyS? Just checking!

    Sadly, the fact is that newbies in marketing may be easily fooled by this and steered away from this same incredible Spider Web Marketing System opportunity that has helped many others build online residual income.

    On a separate note folks, please try checking your junk mail and deleted folders after registering for any site like the SpiderWeb Marketing System. I’m not speaking to necessarily support SpiderWeb — although I do support them.

    I am speaking to encourage all of you to not quit anything before you have completed everything that has been suggested in the program you are invlolved in. If others are succesful at something then you can have that same success. Isn’t it time to quit quitting?

    I wish you all, including Larry, the success that you desire, and to position yourself as the hope and resource for your promising new members.

  27. Larry Brauner on July 9th, 2008 10:59 am

    I let Steve’s comment stand in its entirety after correcting his spelling and syntax errors.

    I appreciate Steve’s concerns about my motives as well as his wishes for success.

    I’ll take the high road on this one and refrain from writing the type of sarcastic response that such a comment truly deserves.


  28. Larry Brauner on July 10th, 2008 5:06 pm

    If you’ve read down to here in the comments, you may also want to read ASD Ad Surf Daily Cash Generator Review. I briefly discuss the SpiderWeb Marketing System in that more recent article.

  29. buzzirk spider on July 11th, 2008 10:03 pm

    Be back soon to see your opinion of m-commerce - Meet-Franlin, Selfbank Mobile..

    success2u b.s..

  30. Larry Brauner on July 13th, 2008 12:04 am

    Why not ask me again in a couple of years, okay?

    The reason I say that is that the lion’s share of businesses start out as great ideas but don’t take off, or do take off but run into cash flow or operational problems.

    Not that longevity is any guarantee. I was with Excel Communications for many years, and they closed. Ironically, I had my best year with them the year before their last one.

    Nevertheless, I focus on networking marketing businesses that have had success for five or ten years or longer.

    I’m affliated with three such businesses, all in health and wellness, but each very different from the others. One of them I build completely online through my homegrown Lifestyles Intra site. Being a Baby Boomer, I big on health and wellness.

    Now you know why I don’t invest a lot of energy in promoting social networking sites.

    I love online social networking and social networking sites, but they make risky business propositions.

    As I’ve grown older, I’ve become financially more conservative.

  31. Jeffrey D. on July 17th, 2008 12:53 am

    Larry, first of all, thank you for being the only HONEST person to put up a blog that I have seen.

    Kevin, thank you also for your input into this.

    And to PappaGrizz and others experiencing problems, I went through ALL of this the past three months.

    I would also like to say to these people I have done the same things to get support and have not been able to reach anyone either. Oh yeah, until I emailed Vincente about joining the Black Widow Partnership. Then he emailed me and said he would look into it. I haven’t heard anything since.

    But I have received multiple autoresponders from Kimball telling me to “call him” and he wanted to hear personally from me about the system. I called him 3 months ago and his phone won’t accept calls, the support email doesn’t respond back, and I did the same thing PappaGrizz did on the Support Forum and no one ever submits anything!

    Tell me, Larry, what am I doing wrong?? Or so they all tell you that it’s your fault for failing.

    Better yet, what am I doing wrong Kevin?

    I think we all would like some type of support. I am “serious” about making money and all I have done is give out, like you said Larry. Also, I put in money into Adwords and Adsense. I set up all the streams, and so far, $0 IN my account. About $300 OUT. What do I do? I really would like to learn.

  32. Jeffrey D. on July 17th, 2008 12:59 am

    Larry, I would also be interested in learning what you think about Ann Sieg’s Renegade Network Marketer Program?

  33. Donna on July 17th, 2008 4:13 pm

    Hi Larry,

    I too would like to know about Ann Sieg.


  34. Larry Brauner on July 17th, 2008 11:06 pm

    Jeffrey and Donna,

    Anything I say about Ann Sieg is merely my opinion.

    Ann is a very strong Internet network marketer. She leverages the Internet and web based strategies to build her businesses.

    She was a big leader with Leaders Club, and now she’s a big leader with Send Out Cards.

    She wrote a great e-book for disillusioned network marketers and created the Renegade System to support their efforts and give them a way to fund their marketing.

    I think her system is probably over the head of most Internet newbies, but it’s very inexpensive and an opportinity to acquire some knowledge and develop some skills.

    Her instruction is extremely well written but still chellenging for the newbie to follow. If you have good Internet skills, you can benefit tremendously from her system until you get around to developing your own.

    Most newbies need somebody to hold their hand.

    That’s why I have been teaching classes for a couple of years through my social media marketing training site, and that’s why I also teamed up with Diane Hochman at My Private Classroom.

    We teach people how to use social media to build a web presence, and we do some amount of hand holding.

    We also encourage people to become teachers themselves and to brand themselves as leaders.

    I strongly recommend that you read my post, People Not Systems.

    All the best,

    Larry Brauner

  35. Jeffrey D. on July 18th, 2008 10:43 pm


    I appreciate your honest answer about Ann. I fully agree and am now a proud member of Send Out Cards.

    But back to the original question about the Spider Web System.

    I would like to know how and why I am using it so inefficiently?

    Also, have you heard of Doran Andry and Joseph McClendon III, the Herbalife gurus?

    What are your opinions on these two gentlemen and the Herbalife pyramid?

  36. Larry Brauner on July 19th, 2008 11:00 pm


    I have no way of knowing how and if you are using The SpiderWeb Marketing System inefficiently.

    I’ve said it before, and I continue to believe that people not systems are the key to business suceess in network marketing and elsewhere.

    I have never heard of Doran Andry and Joseph McClendon III, and I’m not big on the idea of gurus.

    However, I can tell you that Herbalife is not a pyramid. It is a real business build around the retailing of weight loss and nutritional products.

  37. Jeffrey D. on July 20th, 2008 1:26 am


    I guess it comes back to people having to figure the system out on their own. I get no support from SpiderWeb, therefore I have failed with it. On the other hand, I now use the 90-Day Marketer along with Ann Sieg’s Renegade System. I get excellent mentoring and coaching, and McKay Earl’s system is very clear and step-by-step.

    I am new to Internet marketing, and I encourage anyone new to read Ann’s e-books. She teaches everything you talk about.

    About Herbalife, I know that it is not a pyramid, legally speaking, but I also know that over 97% of distributors never earn a profit, and the compensation plan has very detailed “fine print” making it very difficult to become extremely wealthy or even well off.

    This is one of the best discussion sites I have been to. Great job! I would like to speak with you in person sometime.

    - To your profitable success!

    Jeffrey Dietsche

  38. Larry Brauner on July 20th, 2008 8:47 am


    You hit the nail on the head when you said, “I get excellent mentoring and coaching”. That’s more important than the system.

    As far as Ann is concerned, her e-books are excellent, but as I said before, her plan is difficult for newbies to implement.

    And as far as Herbalife is concerned, it’s centered around running a retail store from your home, and most people are not up to that. What’s more, the “supervisors” tend to frontload distributors with more product than they can sell.

    Distributors aren’t really full fledged entities until they themselves become supervisors, so there’s a lot of pressure to advance to the Supervisor level.

    You or any other reader may call me on my cell phone. You can find the number on my about page.

  39. Jeffrey D. on July 20th, 2008 1:23 pm


    Your points are correct and Ann Sieg’s plan IS difficult to implement. That is why her counterpart McKay Earl has created a coaching program in an easy step-by-step way to fully benefit from Ann’s leads. Yes, I said it, Ann let’s you use her own “personal” hot leads in her program. My personal coach has had success with the leads and he is what you would consider a “newbie”. In a short time, he has even learned and profited off of AdWords, which is unbelievable!

    I agree with your idea about Herbalife and the pressure that is put on distributors.

    But what about the pressure that is put on Supervisors?

    They are the ones reported as losing the most money and are “overloaded” with entirely too much product by the Millionaires Team Mentors. I should know, I am a Supervisor and have over $3000 worth of product sitting in my back yard.

    I would love to know how to get rid of it, but it is harder to sell than they make it out to be. I don’t feel like buying air and radio time from them at the cost of $1400 a month for 0 results, which it seems like now is how it usually is.

  40. Daniel on July 23rd, 2008 1:11 pm

    Hey guys,

    All I say is this about the Spider Web: Go on YouTube NOW and check out ALL the people who are making loads of money after only a few weeks in it. And there’s proof too with an online camera dierctly onto their account!

    I did a lot of research and am about to join.

    If one fails, I believe that it’s because heor she has not put enough effort into the system. As for the dirty work in order to earn some money I’ll quote something for you, “I will do today what others are not willing to do, so that i will have tomorrow what others will not have”.

    Come on cheer up and take my advice, especially the beginners in MLMs and network marketing.

    Rule 1 - Do not hop from one business to another…stick to ONE business for at least 2 months even if you see no results.

    Rule 2 - Believe in what you want, your desires, your dreams in life, and no matter what, you’ll have it…even if you don’t know how to do it…the brain will overcome huge obstacles which you’ll never imagine possible.

    To your success,


  41. Larry Brauner on July 23rd, 2008 1:36 pm

    Great advice Daniel, but you forgot to mention Rules 3 and 4.

    Rule 3 - Use common sense and don’t fall for hype.

    Rule 4 - Look for an honest way to make money that adds value to the world you live in.

    Good luck with your new venture!

  42. Jeffrey D. on July 24th, 2008 11:23 pm

    Brilliantly put Larry! Love your posts!

    - Jeff

  43. Larry Brauner on July 25th, 2008 11:27 am


    If you like this SpiderWeb thread, you really ought to come read the Ad Surf Daily post and its back-and-forth comments.

    That post is getting about 150 visits per day!

    Some of the people reading that article have real money at stake.

    I got a phone call from a guy who was very nervous and looking for reassurance. He put about $12,000 into the Ad Surf Daily program.


  44. Jeffrey D. on July 25th, 2008 5:38 pm


    Wow! And I was feeling bad about putting $4000 into HERBALIFE! I feel bad for that guy. Luckily, I only contributed about $150 into the SpiderWeb system and still have about $85 left on AdWords. Thank god there are guys like you out here to warn us when we are not in critical thinking mode and are just thinking about getting rich quick! I encourage everyone to listen to Larry and his wisdom because he has been through the MLM and Internet Marketing a lot longer than most of us have. I completely agree [about] the spamfest that is infesting marketing sites like DM and Yuwie. I really liked these sites and thought there might be potential for building relationships until I saw 7,000 of the same SpiderWeb spiels and this newest thing, GIFTING, what a crock! Anyway, I look forward to reading all of your material and have great respect for your views, even [when] I disagree with them.

  45. Jeffrey D. on July 25th, 2008 6:04 pm

    Also Larry, I would love for you to write a blog about Herbalife warning people that [in my opinion] you must be willing to put up a HUGE risk to actually get any results, if any. Advertising can be very expensive and doesn’t always work out as great as these guys claim. It’s better to LEARN first what to do, rather than trust some TEAM LEADER on what to do, spending YOUR money in the process!

  46. Larry Brauner on July 25th, 2008 6:26 pm


    In my article, The Darker Side of Funded Proposals, I briefly discuss frontloading. I think the article is worth reading.

    Frontloading is generally, not always, more the fault of the “team leaders” than the company.

    If I were to take on all the companies that are plagued with frontloading, I’d have a full time job on my hands.

    You’re right about the importance of learning. I myself spend time regularly learning and researching.

    Just so you know, I mentor marketers including network marketers from quite a few companies.

    I’m going offline until Saturday night. Take care Jeff and all.

  47. Jeffrey D. on July 25th, 2008 7:51 pm


    If I had known all the information I have learned in the last 3 months from yourself, Diane Hochman, and Ann Sieg, I would never have been “frontloaded” on. Even worse, I had a “bad gut feeling” about giving over the credit card info but was “living on a dream” at the time. A lesson learned to everyone, “go with your gut feeling”! Also, live and learn. I cannot wait to start learning even more and training with MY PRIVATE CLASSROOM.

    - Jeff

  48. Sheryl on August 2nd, 2008 8:18 pm

    Hi Larry,

    I am also a member of the SpiderWeb System and I am getting very frustrated. I have been in it for about 3 weeks. The support or your upline is posted in your back office but, they use a website or capture page for their email address. The only thing they have listed is their phone numbers. The forum is not running simply because they do not have the personnel to do it. They are working on getting the system launched. So there is really no support at all.

    I did find my upline on one of the social networks and I have sent her an email but she has not yet returned the email.
    On top of this, I cannot get to my back office. I don’t know what they are doing but I get something completely different. I get a different website. I also tried logging into my own website but it seems that the login links only link to the new website and not the back office. Maybe Kevin can shed some light on this. Talk about being frustrated to the point of quitting.

    Great post!

  49. Larry Brauner on August 2nd, 2008 10:02 pm

    Can somebody help Sheryl?

    Sheryl, I’ve been telling people all along that success is about people, not systems.

    For a complete list of articles in this blog, please refer to the site map.

  50. Joe Russ on August 4th, 2008 7:43 pm

    All these posts are interesting.

    I came here to find current info on Spiderweb. I started the video series a few weeks ago, then got busy with real life but came back to it a few days ago. Then when I went back to it yesterday I couldn’t find it. I Googled it but all the links kept sending me to a generic affiliate page I had seen many times before, you know the green and white one with the picture of the cute young school girl on it.

    But no Spiderweb.

    And since there is no email address that I can find I’m lost. Like Sheryl in an earlier post I can’t get into the “Back Office”. I guess it can’t be a scam since it’s free, but something smells fishy. If it’s still in beta like some posts say, maybe it’s just temporary. If anyone knows and can email me that would be great.


  51. Larry Brauner on August 4th, 2008 8:44 pm

    All I can suggest is that you search back through your old mail to see if you can find a welcome letter.

    And if you find yourself feeling down about it, be happy you didn’t join Ad Surf Daily.

    People over there are worried about losing big bucks.

  52. Jeffrey D. on August 5th, 2008 1:39 am

    In response to Sheryl and Joe,

    I joined the SpiderWeb System in March thinking that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Later on to realize, that is all it is.

    The next latest, greatest thing that will not survive [just] like ASD.

    Real learning and education is the only thing that will survive the “test of time”.

    You have already done the right thing and read Larry’s blog. He is a TRUE mentor along with people like Ann Sieg and Diane Hochman who really CARE about teaching people how to market the right way, at a low cost (keep in mind that I do not personally know these people but have studied their characters as compared to others in Internet marketing).

    Always find out first who will give you their # and information and who will talk with you for REAL. An autoresponder is necessary for certain applications, but will NEVER give you a person-to-person call.

    Anytime your SpiderWeb System emails say “Hey, call me I’m interested in how you’re doing” just call Kimball and find out if he talks to you or not.

    Like Larry said, people not systems create success!

    To all of our learning and success!

    - Jeffrey

  53. Dean Menier on August 7th, 2008 10:08 pm

    Hello again,

    It’s The Dean… Black Widow Partner in SWS

    Good stuff and I enjoyed the comments to the comments, etc.

    My suggestion is that anyone that is interested in knowing more about the SWS would be to listen in on a live Q&A session about the Spider Web System. (I have given you the info below.) The people that have concerns about the direction of the company or anything to do with the future plans can tune in via web and/or phone. Kimball Roundy takes live questions, which I think is a bit risky, but shows the character and his belief in SWS! Anyone one on the fence needs to make an informed decision on this or any program that they think they might like to join and this will help. I am a Black Widow and I share in the success of the program. I also have integrety and will not knowingly scam people. It is my feeling that if this is handled correctly it will be a stellar education for all those involved. Will it have problems…YES! Will they get addressed? Only if the SWS wants to be long term! Time will tell.

    I still can’t believe that whenever a new Windows comes out that WE PAY to debug it! And we know that we will do it again, but that’s a whole nother thing!

    Let’s get back to The SWS

    Please also keep in mind that the SWS is in beta and so far the response had been nothing short of incredible. I got over 2100 signups in one day…sad to say that it was a computer mess up and the same person signed up for all but 3 of the new memberships. I was in heaven, but for only a few seconds!!!

    Without making this sound like a left handed recruiting technique, I’d like to say that
    I am open to assist anyone that has questions re the SWS and will be happy to work with them, even if they are not in my downline. A strong sponsor is important in the beginning of any start up, as I’m sure you will agree! It also helps to be patient!!!

    Here is the info for the live calls on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays:

    Exciting UPDATE!!! In an attempt to improve our communication to all users on the development of the Spider’Web System, we have decided to hold weekly, update teleconferences.

    Tuesday and Thursday — ALL SWS Users Update Teleconference

    Wednesday — Black Widow Partners ONLY Update Teleconference

    Please refer to the message board in your backoffice regarding future teleconferences specifics, as we are currently testing out various times in order to find the best time to hold them in the future for all users.

    We hope to see you all there!

    The SWS Team

  54. Dean Menier on August 7th, 2008 10:17 pm

    Here is the updated info on the Spider Conference Calls…


    Exciting UPDATE!!! In an attempt to improve our communication to all users on the development of the Spider Web System, we have decided to hold weekly, update teleconferences.

    Tuesday and Thursday – ALL

    To listen and ask questions via phone, please dial in with this information:

    Phone Number to Dial: 419-400-0202
    Use Conference ID: 718440#

    Please refer to the message board in your backoffice weekly regarding future teleconferences specifics, as we are currently testing out various times in order to find the best time to hold them in the future for all users.

    We hope to see you all there!

    Let me know what you need help with, HAGO
    The Dean

  55. Suzanne on August 13th, 2008 11:10 pm


    Would like you to help since you offered. I am sure others would be interested also.

    Please e-mail me at

    Thanks in advance


  56. Denise on August 14th, 2008 11:19 am

    Thank you so much for this post and for this blog! I almost fell for the pitch of this program, but being smart for once, I went looking for opinions and found you. No SMS for me.

  57. Jeffrey D. on August 14th, 2008 5:26 pm

    In reply to Denise,

    Don’t confuse SWS as a scam. Be glad you didn’t buy into the ASD propoganda!

    SWS is a very good idea. If you are naturally good at persuading people and have a large circle of friends and aquaintances SWS could probably be amazing!

    Stay away from all those “free” money programs like cash gifting and ad surfing machines. Otherwise, you’ll have to buy into the fact that you can make a living at casinos, if you follow those programs!

    I prefer to put in some hard work and learn how to market by reading material that is either free or has little cost (nothing is really ever FREE).

    Some very good e-books include Ann Sieg’s 7 Great Lies of Network Marketing. This has very great information and is free.

    I also understand that My Private Classroom by Diane Hochman contains very good material and some is free.

    If you want to learn the nuts and bolts of Network Marketing, do what you’ve been doing and investigate until you find out who you can really trust.

    Larry is definitely one of these people. I always read his articles and consider him a mentor.

    - Jeff

  58. Jeffrey D. on August 15th, 2008 12:08 pm

    This is really great stuff Larry! How about doing a blog exposing cash gifting scams?

    - Jeff

  59. Larry Brauner on August 15th, 2008 12:14 pm

    I just wrote a blog about Ning Social Networking Sites which were called “the next big thing” by Business Week.

  60. Sarah on August 18th, 2008 12:58 am

    Hi Richard (Dick Tolar posted comment on June 17th, 2008 4:27 am).

    The e-mail address for the SpiderWeb System’s support is partnersupport @ roundgoods dot com

    I just heard it in the teleconference call.

  61. Jason Mueller on August 23rd, 2008 4:03 pm

    SpiderWeb is a toughie: I see Brian Bear ripping through GDI because of the SWS yet here I am with 3 GDI downlines and not much happening outside of that. I’m sure that it’s worth keeping it because as time goes on it’s only going to get bigger and better but when there are so many worrisome people out there concerned about internet security, our margin of 1 billion worldwide internet users decreases inherently.

    I’m confident that as we continue to market and work the SWS, it will prove more effective than predecessors because it can be set up for free and left to its own devices.

  62. Sean on August 23rd, 2008 8:00 pm

    This is a great debate and everyone’s input makes perfect sense. But what I haven’t seen (and I do apologize if I’ve missed it) is that maybe some of us use the SpiderWeb Marketing System as an educational tool to improve our marketing strategies. I’ve been an Internet and network marketer for quite some time now and actually learned a few things just signing up for the free system.

    I have a great mentor in my existing business and we even have an exclusive team training website not to mention weekly training webinars. But I still find it necessary to continue to learn and educate myself to make things better. I have certainly learned something from the SpiderWeb System and will put those strategies to use in improving my current wellness business.

    So yes, we should try new things and continue to learn. I am also in the wellness industry and plan on sticking with my company even though I found the SpiderWeb System. Just another valuable tool in my marketing arsenal.

    All the best-


  63. >Jeffrey D. on August 24th, 2008 12:14 pm


    I completely agree. I have also learned a great deal through Kimball’s videos, not even realizing it.

    The problem is that the system wants you to be just another ROBOT in a system of DROIDS.

    I prefer to learn copywriting and all the other necessary skills involved. Although the SWS is benefiting you in the short run, it just means that you are dependant on that system.

    Don’t get me wrong, use all the systems that benefit YOU, just look at the big picture and realize that it isn’t about the schemes or even your MLM company, it’s about YOU!

    - Jeff

  64. suz on September 4th, 2008 2:49 pm

    How do you get paid with the SWS? Do you receive checks in the mail? Is it something where you have to give bank account information for a direct deposit? Do you really see the money? How long does it take to receive money, weekly, bi-weekly, monthly? I don’t see any of these questions answered…..I’m really curious…..skeptical too.

  65. Larry Brauner on September 4th, 2008 2:59 pm


    This is an official answer, Somebody jump in and correct me if I’m wrong.

    The SpiderWeb Marketing System is a collection of seperate programs. Each has its own income stream, and each pays you according to it own particular terms and conditions.

    Hope this helps.


    PS Please read some of the other articles on my blog while you’re here.

  66. Jeffrey D. on September 7th, 2008 3:34 pm


    The SWS is a multiple referral system. Instead of sharing products and trying to sign people up with an MLM, you are signing up people to make commissions off that particular program’s guidelines. For instance, you sign someone up for GDI at $10 a month and you get paid $1 every month, or whatever it is, for as long as they have the account. This goes multiple levels wide and deep.

    He has 22 different programs to where you become an affiliate and will make money off the different streams. The point is to get someone to follow the video series and they will get people who will follow people to create a massive downline and therefore you will make lots of money.

    The problem lies with the fact that EVERYTHING is copycatted. You use all the same sites, text, HTML, and replace it with YOUR information. How are you supposed to get anyone interested in your plan if 20 people a day send you the same exact email with their picture? I don’t know about you, but I just delete them. After all, I don’t want to join someone else’s SpiderWeb System. I want people to join me!

    You can also set up Adwords and use that to drive traffic to your personal SWS site. My personal opinion with this is that Google is the one really benefiting off of this. I’ve spent more than I’ve ever earned!

    As far as direct deposit goes, you need to ALWAYS provide your bank account information to do this. You can also create a free PayPal account, which is a better way to protect all of your personal banking info. Some of the programs will pay you by check or however you want it set up, while some will only do it one way. It just depends on the company. You usually have options, though.

    I personally followed all the videos and steps, signed up for the necessary sites and affiliate plans, and even purchased advanced credit for AdWords. So far, I’ve had plenty of hits to my site but zero sign ups. My total spent going through the system is about $200.00. The total I have made to date is $0.00. All in all, this is not too bad of a gamble. I could have followed HERBALIFE’s plan at $1200-$1500 a month and been living on the streets right now.

    Understand that this is only one person’s opinion about the SWS. There are many others making tons of money with it. Unfortunately, at the multiple losses of many others. I hope this information helps you out.

    -to your Success!

    - Jeffrey Dietsche

  67. Larry Brauner on September 7th, 2008 4:10 pm

    Good comment Jeffrey. I wonder, how are things working out with the automated blogs?

    By the way, thanks for coming over to My Private Claasroom. I hope you’ll find it to be a great training resource.


  68. Jeffrey D. on September 7th, 2008 9:21 pm


    From what I understand, the automated blog has been discontinued by SWS. Some of the income streams have been discontinued also by the companies like Google AdWords.

    If I am wrong with any of this information, anyone who knows please inform me. This was just the latest news that I have found out. I no longer use the SWS



  69. Dan on September 15th, 2008 3:56 pm

    Since this review many things have chanced with the SpiderWeb Marketing System. Google AdWords have been removed, automated blogs have been removed and new streams have been added. I can honestly say I have reviewed this system myself and it is indeed a very profitable system that has the potential to make you $5,000-$10,000 per month.


  70. Matt Becker on September 26th, 2008 12:03 pm

    I also decided to give SWS a whirl, though I was still skeptical with the “100% Free” jargon.

    This post pretty much nips this in the bud. Too many clones of the same “product” will result in saturation and dilution of the program. Too many people trying the same thing will eventually result in the vast majority spending far more money than they intended to with little to no return.

    That’s the thing that kills me about these “work from home” programs. You always have to spend more money than you intended to, and yet for some reason I’ve always been suckered into these programs.

    I took a peek at all of the videos, and surprise, surprise, the only way to “maximize” your returns is if you spend money to upgrade memberships.

    I never got the chance to look at how much I would have to spend, but it’s madness.

    I’m sure there are people who have profited greatly from the Spider Web System. Kudos to them.

    For the rest of us, it’s madness.

  71. Larry Brauner on September 26th, 2008 12:22 pm


    I recommend reading Home Based Businesses Don’t Work, a “Home Business Survival Crash Course”, and My Private Classroom Opens to Public.

  72. Jeffrey D. on September 26th, 2008 4:19 pm


    If you listen to the founder, Kimball Roundy on his very first video he states that the reason he can give the system away for “free” is because he knows that he will make around $400 or so from you, even if you don’t see it through. I agree with you completely and I am also a “magnet” to these schemes. If you’ve ever heard someone say, “Well, you won’t know until you give it a try!”. So you end up trying it and he monetizes off you so there is no loss in his favor. The people that make money off the system are very “influential” people and have a large circle of friends, maybe even family. The average online starter like you and I will not make it.

    However, The SWS does have some EXCELLENT training videos and if you utilize them you can learn a great amount about affiliate marketing and setting up websites, etc. They also introduced me to Direct Matches and Yuwie where there is a great opportunity to create relationships. My Private Classroom has a ton of excellent training videos that teach you how to get leads for free or very little money. Of all the programs I have researched it is one of the most “valuable” training sites on the internet. At the same time, no one comes out and tries to spam sell you anything. It is more like a friendly environment, a hang-out spot for business people, marketers, and Internetwork marketers.

    -Jeffrey Dietsche

  73. John on September 27th, 2008 6:35 pm

    Another website promising great riches. Will they ever end? I too read most of the website and thought how many times I saw and read the word “FREE!”, completely FREE!

    Then when you actually go to set everything up you are STRONGLY encouraged to get your own domain name for ONLY $10 a month. Of course now you are warned that if you do not take this important step the system basically will not work for you. NICE!

    So I bet that many others fell for this. But I can almost guarantee you that it will not stop at the $10 a month sign up fee. I’ll bet there are other hidden fees along the road.

    Looks like I’ll be sending this website to the Better Business Bureau, FTC, and the Postmaster General for a possible legal violation of false advertising. If you think they will not listen, think again.

    This is what I do for a living. I am employed by these agencies to monitor and investigate illegal money scams via the Internet and postal mail. There are many of us out there (who earn a legitimate living) simply because these agencies cannot keep up with the volume of new scams cropping up in the marketplace.

    My advice to everyone, if it sounds to good to be true, IT IS!

  74. Jeffrey D. on September 27th, 2008 11:01 pm

    I also find it funny that founder Kimball Roundy always talks about DM and Yuwie being SPAM fests, but he teaches you how to be the Ultimate Spammer. His comments on the videos also include the fact that he doesn’t waste his time on the phone talking to people and that prospecting is already done for you with no need to follow up. To my surprise, when you actually get a lead he states in his email “The best way to utilize the SWS is to follow up with your prospect. I encourage you to call this lead as a personal relationship is the best way to introduce your business”. Did I miss something?? You can find many instances of him saying something and teaching the opposite through his videos.

    I recommend following Ann Sieg’s system or My Private Classroom where there is a lot more support. New people are led in the right direction and are taught marketing strategies and WHY they work. The SWS teaches you some of the HOW but none of the WHY!

    And to back up John’s statement, If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is! Be careful out there.

    Jeffrey Dietsche

  75. Teri on September 30th, 2008 10:19 am


    I don’t know if I’m blind or what the problem is, but is there no support with SpiderWeb Systems?

    I’ve yet to see my capture page working, and I’m in day 5 with SWS. I have listened to the tutorials over and over and still cant figure out what I have done wrong. Is there an email or phone number to call SWS????

    Surely somewhere out there someone knows how to get in touch with SWS.


  76. Jeffrey D. on October 3rd, 2008 11:00 pm


    You surely are NOT blind. The SWS has just pulled the WEB over your eyes! (Ha ha, but seriously, all tacky jokes aside…) There is in fact a way to get support from the SWS… no, 2 ways. Here they are:

    1. Join the Black Widow Membership program for the modest price of $999.00

    2. Kimball would be happy to meet you and I can forward you over the email he sent me. ( oh yeah, you need to pay to attend the seminar first )

    A third option would be to scroll through these comments and possibly get in touch with a) Kevin b) buzzirk spider c) digital nomad d) the “dean” menier.

    I don’t know about you, but this sounds more like the latest character line up from the new “Spiderman” series.

    If none of these ideas work out for you, I would recommend putting some trust in old fashioned “learning” and “training” and take a free look at what guys like Larry Brauner and My Private Classroom can do for YOU and accelerating your own personal learning curve.

    And if you ever would like to talk, 100% SPAM free, just click on my name and I would be happy to get in touch with you and to assist you in any way possible.

    To your continued success!

    Jeffrey Dietche

  77. Cole on October 7th, 2008 11:50 pm

    Hey all. I am one of those who got caught up in the SpiderWeb. It didn’t take the black widow more than a week to suck the funds from my body. All sucked dry with no return.

    My system too did not work properly, nor did the help forum, nor could I get assistance from any of my upline including Brian Bear and Kimball Roundy. Free or not, the system sucks!

  78. Maxine on October 13th, 2008 6:57 pm

    It was awful. A lot of promises but no delivery.

    Now I did receive my 497.00 back. However, I struggled to put money on my card in my back office for advertising.

    One person signed up under me and noticed the flaws and contradictions only to pull right out. My so called upline was nice to me before I joined but was not that supportive afterwards.

    I say avoid the Sprider Web System altogether. I am sorry but it is not worth it. It was a headache.

  79. Jeffrey D. on October 16th, 2008 9:37 pm

    Hmmmm….. It looks to me like there are MANY unsatisfied people starting to come forward. The Spider saga is starting to unfold! Looks like your prediction may come true sooner than you thought Larry!

  80. Dave on October 17th, 2008 10:15 am

    Hello Larry,

    I came across a program called REALITY NETWORKERS. They say they offer “FORCED TEAM SUPPORT” to help members get referrals and build their network. On the surface, that sounds like a good thing. Do you know anything about them or have any information on them?

    Please let me know.


  81. Larry Brauner on October 17th, 2008 11:57 am


    If you’ve read many of my posts, then you know that I’m skeptical about reliance on systems — as well as anything that “sounds too good”. I recommend that you read Home Based Businesses Don’t Work.

    Reality Networkers has been around for about four years and seems to be one of those systems that has had its time and faded.

    Stay tuned. I’ll be writing some follow up articles that should help. Subscribe to my blog if you haven’t already done so, and come over to My Private Classroom to learn the basics of social marketing.

  82. Michelle on October 19th, 2008 11:55 am

    Hi Everyone,

    Well, I am new to Spider Web Marketing System. In fact I joined yesterday to see what it is all about.

    I have just watched the first video and must say I am not yet sold. With anything new I always do a search on Google to read reviews which is what brought me here.

    I was with GDI and Direct Matches in the past. I can say, I for one will not use the option to re-join them.

    This reminds me of the PIPS, where its free to a point and you join several opportunities that will ultimately create streams of income for you. For anyone new to network marketing I believe a system of this kind can in some cases be a good thing.

    Michelle Cobbs

  83. Jeffrey D. on October 21st, 2008 6:35 pm


    I guess then that you’ve decided to end your career early with the SpiderWeb System. You MUST use GDI as your domain! There are no options. If you do not use them, you will not have your automated blogs or website. Then what will you have? Nothing.

    As far as Direct Matches is concerned, there is nothing wrong with this social media site. I would highly recommend that you listen to Larry Brauner’s audios on building your list with Direct Matches, you might change your entire outlook on things!

    You are exactly correct about the PIPS thing, although I am not familiar with this term. I prefer to call it “Moving the Free Line”. In any type of business you need capital to start, then you must be profitable and “monetize” in order to continue. Just because Brian Bear is out there saying this is the greatest automated program on earth does not constitute a legitimate review. After all, most of these people at the top of the Google search engine are biased towards the SWS. Thank God for this blog!

    -to your InterNetworking Success!

    - Jeffrey Dietsche

  84. Dharr on October 21st, 2008 9:16 pm

    Here’s my opinion of the SpiderWeb System and a twist that I didn’t see posted here.

    I joined when the Spider Web System was fairly new and stayed for about 3 weeks.

    I worked hard putting the system up, signed up for GDI ($10/month) and Direct Matches ($19.95/month). Right after I was done, and I had a chance to really see how it was all working, something dawned on me…

    - this is an ingenious system designed to get Kimball Roundy and his cronies an astronomical amount of referrals to their MLM and social networking sites!!!

    Guess who’s ‘laughing all the way to the bank’? Not I or anyone else I know who’s tried this system. Good luck!

  85. Alaura on October 22nd, 2008 8:19 pm

    I was a member of the SpiderWeb System and GDI for about 2 months, and never made a single cent.

    So after much consideration, I decided to quit and move on.

    Sometimes I wonder if SpiderWeb System and GDI did run its course already, since nobody else has been making over $2000-$3000.00/month anymore. All I see is just the same people on the leader boards week after week, and no one new has come up top after all this time. I think that all those top members got all the prospects in the world already and no one is left to sign up.

    That’s how I feel about it anyways.

  86. Ryan G on October 29th, 2008 4:51 am

    So, the SpiderWeb System is ‘free’, but you have to pay. So, it isn’t free.

    If you are hit with BS right from the onset, it makes you wonder how much additional BS you’ll be confronted with down the line.

  87. Jeffrey D. on October 29th, 2008 9:40 pm


    There is tons more “b.s.” than meets the eye! In my opinion, completely not worth it.

    Come on over and check out My Private Classroom if you want some REAL free video training, ( no b.s. ) I promise! They teach you how to market the “correct” and “profitable” way on a budget.

    Jeffrey Dietsche

  88. Edward Villamar on November 1st, 2008 7:09 pm

    I, too, am a Black Widow Partner of the SWMS. I have been a member since August 2008. I have used their auto responder. I have a lead generation program and I am a member of another program that is really hot right now. O.K. it is true that it seems that SWMS still has some bugs to work on. I will not doubt that. Just recently in one of their webinars Wowzza was causing some problems so it is no longer part of the SWMS. Let’s say it is 21 ways and not 22 ways to make income. I have not made any money from the SWMS. I will have to admit that but I think it is time to really study and pay attention to what they are doing to help promote SWMS. It seems that there are lots of people on the top making an income while those at the bottom are struggling to build a down line. I only signed up with GDI but I had joined GDI prior to joining SWMS. So that could be a problem because my GDI sponsor is not a SWMS member. So let’s see how the Black Widow partnership will work in the next few months. I am willing to hold on to SWMS. In the meantime I keep adding my monthly 300 leads from my lead generation program into my SWMS Black Widow auto responder. It sends out e mails to my leads so when the time is right those leads will join as part of my down line. Of course I also put those leads in my other auto responder into my other program.

    Edward Villamar

  89. Jeffrey D. on November 2nd, 2008 11:56 pm

    Hey Edward,

    Congratulations on your new found “hot” system you are using! I hope it does you well.

    There are many great sites you can use now to help build your “list” for the SWS system and the Unselfish Wealth.

    Come check out Critical Thinking Outside the Box and My Private Classroom. In my opion, two of the greatest ning sites out there today. (BTW, I receive NOTHING for recommending you to the sites.)

    Jeffrey Dietsche

  90. Angela on November 9th, 2008 3:02 pm

    After going through all the comments, I still don’t know what to make of Spiderweb. I signed up a few days ago and I am still trying to decide whether this was even worth my time.

    Edward’s comments are truly discouraging. If he signed up with Spiderweb since August 2008 with 300 leads and still hasn’t made any money. what on earth will happen to a newbie like me? I know like six people… okay, maybe i am exaggerating.


  91. Larry Brauner on November 9th, 2008 3:28 pm

    Unfortunately Angela, you’re trying to figure out how to make money and find your way alone, without a mentor.

    I encourage you to subscribe to this blog and to connect with me directly at my social networking site, Critical Thinking Outside the Box.

    Hopefully I can help.

    Larry Brauner

  92. Jeffrey D. on November 11th, 2008 12:26 am


    What you don’t realize is that Edward is probably a newbie also. He just has more money into the system than you do. I was very close myself to joining the “Black Widow System”.

    I believe the system is not sustainable because there is no leadership training and really no leaders to speak of. Everyone seems to be for themselves just as in many of these programs.

    When I was introduced to Mrs. Diane Hochman I really knew nothing about her. Now I realize that she is genuinely interested in teaching “newbies” how to Pay It Forward. My Private Classroom was opened to the public so that people could revert from online Losers to Winners. There are many more Internet successes coming out and it all stems from their learning. MPC is an excellent FREE training site! And yes, if you want higher learning and training there is a cost, like anything. But let me tell you that it all has been worthwhile. I have searched ANY and ALL programs out there. You have nothing to lose.

    Sign up for free at MPC and Critical Thinking Outside the Box. You will meet some of the most knowledgeable leaders you have ever seen, I guarantee it!


  93. Ben on November 14th, 2008 7:01 am

    Ok, so I have been considering this Spider Web Marketing System for awhile now, but I need some answers from people who have actually used it.

    I just need to know two things. Does this system actually work, and, if used right, how much could it possibly generate me (going by what you may have made)?

    Thanks, Ben.

  94. Larry Brauner on November 14th, 2008 10:54 am


    As author of this blog and somebody with much business experience, I’m concerned with your question.

    Even if somebody comes along and says that the SpiderWeb Marketing System has worked for them, and that they have made a certain amount of money with it, their success wouldn’t help at all to predict yours.

    It’s very likely that they have marketing resources and experience which you don’t yet have.

    Not only that, but there are some people who can make money even with the worst predatory marketing systems one can find.

    I suggest that you scroll back to the top and read down through all the comments if you haven’t already done so.

    I also suggest that you read another article on this blog, Home Based Businesses Don’t Work, which is a sobering yet constructive home business assessment and recommendation.

    There are probably other articles on this blog that you’ll find useful. You can find a full listing in the site map. To be informed of future articles, join my blog mailing list.

    Please stop looking for a system or a gimmick and instead look for an experienced leader and mentor with whom you feel comfortable to guide you step-by-step through the home business process.

    Good luck in your quest!

    Larry Brauner

  95. The Hallster on November 18th, 2008 11:47 pm

    Great Site. I have been having extreme success making money Online with The Spiderweb Marketing System.

  96. Jeffrey D. on November 25th, 2008 9:11 pm

    In response to Ben,

    Don’t make the mistake of “chasing money”. Expecting to play and win using the SpiderWeb System is somewhat the same as playing the lottery. If you are “banking” on making money where you don’t have to talk to anyone, don’t have to work, and expect money to come pouring in by purchasing AdWords, then believe me it probably won’t happen. If you are interested in starting an online business, make sure that it is a legitimate “funded proposal”. Everything is a risk nowadays and nothing is guaranteed. Make sure your business has a plan to keep you in continuous “cash flow” and that you offer a “product” that people can actually put their hands on. The SWS is a great “pipe dream” and that is what attracts people to it. Be sensible when reviewing new schemes by using common sense and your gut instinct.

    Be well!


  97. Jeffrey D. on November 25th, 2008 9:14 pm

    In response to Hallster,

    Congratulations on your success! I hope that it continues to last!

    Wishing you all the best,


  98. Tyler on November 26th, 2008 10:13 pm

    I was just curious with the SpiderWeb System what is the aspect of it that starts bringing you in money?

    How soon do you really get paid? Any real success…does it take weeks after your downline signs up? How many people need to sign up for each individual program in the system?


  99. Jeffrey D. on November 27th, 2008 11:52 pm


    The purpose of the system is to get prospects into your marketing funnel. Unfortunately, there is no REAL product. When people sign up they are encouraged to do as the videos instruct. Anyone that wants to make money will probably do this. They instruct you to sign up for many different affiliate programs and to subscribe monthly to them. If you do not, you can not gain the maximum benefit. This is what drives you to sign up for as many affiliate programs as possible.

    What they don’t tell you: All the websites and blogs are cookie cutter style and Google does not respond well to this, therefore, hurting YOU in the search engine. Also, they teach you to use SPAMMING techniques that turn off the majority of people in the Web 2.0 world. Brian Bear and Kimball will draw many “get rich quick” prospects because they spend the highest amount for advertising, which you probably can’t and WON’T afford.

    The affiliate programs all pay under their own terms, which has nothing to do with the SWS. Your only shot may be to make tons of YouTube Videos and show people your bank account to let them know how rich you are. In the long run though, people will find out the truth, they always do.

    I hope this helps with your question.


  100. Jonas on December 9th, 2008 9:02 pm

    I too was sucked into the hype of the SpiderWeb Marketing System.

    I am now over $500 into the “system” having upgraded at each step. They say they don’t force you to upgrade, but they do coerce you by saying there are more commission for upgraded members but none for free ones.

    Then I joined the Black Widow partnership for $500.

    What they dont tell you is that you have to pay a $97 monthly fee for the membership after the $500, and if you dont get 20 new members a month, they strip you of your Black Widow status. Hence kiss your 500 bucks good-bye! Because unless your a BW member, there are no commissions.

    So I’m well into a grand lining their pockets, and I’ve learned my lesson.

    I thought SpiderWeb was legit, and it turned out it was a scheme.

    Now I’m out a grand. Never again will I be fooled into this type of program.

    Six months into this and not one cent return!

    I have started legal action to get back my BW sign up fee.

    And if I dont get it back, I will have the hottest blonde bombshell in a slinky nighty tell my story on YouTube about the system, killing thousands of downline hopefuls!

    It will be the hottest YouTube video since Britney’s box shot!

  101. Larry Brauner on December 10th, 2008 11:09 am

    I’m so sorry Jonas. Too bad you didn’t find your way to my blog seven months ago when I first wrote this SpiderWeb Marketing System review.

    I want to suggest that you subscribe to this blog.

    You can also contact me directly if you wish. My phone number is no my About page.

    By the way, I myself only recommend low-risk sensible home-based business opportunities.

  102. Jeffrey D. on December 13th, 2008 11:50 pm

    A very successful woman once said to me, “Only invest in a business what you can afford to lose”. Don’t chase “hype”. There is a better way. Get EDUCATED!

    And an even SMARTER woman told me “You don’t have to get it RIGHT, just get it GOING”. In short, this means that you cannot depend on the “SYSTEM” to do EVERYTHING for YOU. Put in work consistently, point don’t pander, don’t SPAM people. Buying ADWORDS and/or an online distributorship/business will NOT make you millions. Smart, consistent work will make you prevail in whatever you do! Don’t look to make a million in the next 90 days, it probably won’t happen!


  103. Lisa Ribaudo on December 17th, 2008 12:21 pm


    To receive support send an email to your sponser using the e-mail address is on the upper right hand portion of your screen.

    Mine has been very helpful.

    This system is better than other systems that say they are free but want to charge you more money to upgrade the information they’ll share with you.


  104. Scott on December 22nd, 2008 5:06 pm


    I wish I could of come here sooner to warn people about SpiderWeb Marketing, GDI, etc. A few years ago I joined Global Domains International (GDI) thinking this was going to be my way to make EASY money online. I mean, look at their pitch, it is pretty much the same pitch SpiderWeb Marketing has. The promise the stars and then while you are dreaming about being there, they steal your wallet.

    I didn’t get a chance to read all of your comments but the ones I have read from people like Kevin who promote SpiderWeb Marketing leave out a some VERY IMPORTANT DETAILS.
    First of all, lets break down SpiderWeb Marketing to what it really is compared to legitimate businesses.

    Problem #1- It is a web hosting service (GDI for example) that charges $10/month for ONE website that has 10 pages and 10 emails address. Are you kidding me??

    I can go to and get an unlimited amount of websites (not including $10/year per domain name) with pretty much an unlimited amount of pages and I think at least 100 emails per domain for less than $10/month.

    Problem #2- What is their core product? SpiderWeb Marketing’s core product is selling a dream of making tons of money doing nothing. Well that is not possible, but that is what they sell, when really they are in the hosting business.
    You don’t see reputable hosting companies like, and selling a dream and saying “oh ya, by the way, we will throw in this free 10 page website for you too”.

    Problem #3- If SpiderWeb Marketing was a real legit business where everyone could make money they would not make you sign up to find out all of the details. If it is really so good they should be transparent about what they are selling because if it were me and I have a legitimate product that could make everyone rich I would show people exactly how it works before they sign up.

    SpiderWeb Marketing is not very everyone. They don’t tell you that. They need to ask people “do you consider yourself a good salesman?”, “Do you have a large network of friends, family and associates that are good salesmen?”, because if you don’t you will not succeed. All you will do is get sucked into another that pays the first few people in that ARE networking marketers and salesmen and can grow a huge downline that will fill their bank account but not their downlines’ bank accounts.

    For anyone thinking of joining SpiderWeb Marketing or anything else that sounds like it. Ask yourself, what happens when you don’t recruit anyone below you? Who pays you? Pretend there is a limited number of people on the planet and that number stays the exact same for years. Once everyone is in SpiderWeb Marketing, who is going to pay the last person to get in?

    The only product the are selling is hype and dreams to people looking for some fast cash. Classic pyramid scheme, except they can get away with it because at the end of the day you are paying $10/month for their hosting service and you can use that website for whatever you want, so technically in my opinion they can’t be put in jail. But they can take all your money.

    Sorry for the rant, I just wanted to let everyone know that this is not a real sustainable business.
    If you want some real tips on how to make money (not get rich quick) check out my blog. It is a documentary/tutorial about my journey to make money online through proven business models such as advertising revenue,, Adsense, eBay, affiliate links and hell even my own clothing company.

  105. simi on December 29th, 2008 6:13 am

    Hello Friends,

    I’ve recently joined the Spider Web System, but due to lack of support have’nt done much with it. There is no support, and my sponsor is no help at all. I’ve emailed him and left phone messages but no response. I’m totally stuck. I have completed all the stages and also advertising my system. I have about 40 leads but no clue what to do next. Have’nt made a single penny yet. Totally lost…. Couple of people who are joining my system have emailed me with their issues but I myself do not have the answers for them. I want to help them but finding myself very helpless. Can somebody please help!!!

  106. Jason on December 29th, 2008 3:54 pm

    Hi All,

    First I’d like to thank all for there insight into the SpiderWeb Marketing System, it didn’t change my mind in anyway about if the system will eventualy work or not but it was all very helpful to see the point of view of others about the system.

    Now to start I would like to say I’ve been involved in the program for a little under two weeks. I have put everything into the system because even without all the reviews and not knowing anything about marketing I saw the power of the system by viewing the videos and now that I am a BWP I will get the training needed to make a lot of money by the added tools and involvement that I receive from the system. Now being new yeah I don’t Know jack about this but when the System is up and working to its full potential I don’t believe anything will stand in it’s way. I have not made any money from it yet but because of that I won’t quit it either because it is so powerful that it will make me money. As for the auto blog as of right now its down I have not seen any results from it because its been down but when it comes back up and I am able to edit and format to my own liking through the ideas that they set out to give us as BWP’s I believe it will be a very powerful tool towards the system. The system is flawed much like my grammar and spelling in this comment but in the end without a doubt I believe it to will improve just as I will when I start working and laying out my plans to how I want things done and sent out and viewed in a timely manner. The system each and everyday I learn something new other by the various users involved in it or from the step-by-step videos. Now you all say there’s no support out there then your obviously not taking advantage of what the system is offering you in full DM many SWS and BWP users within that all of which I have asked for a bit of assistance with have been more then glad to help out and if they can’t they would refer me to someone who can. Yuwie same thing many users out there start using there knowledge stop struggling with support like I said there system is flawed but it doesn’t mean it will always be so, for now you should be taking advantage of the users on those sites in order to maximize your results if your not then basically your trying to go at it alone and best case scenario your waiting on the system to fix its self or your going to give up. No one wants or needs that its about taking control of your own life and the actions within it now you all can debate contradict what I say or even scrutinize my post but in the end if anyone really wants something then it’s up to them to take advantage and grab at it like I did with the system not because of what others say or do but because they believe it to be the right path for them.

    Now to GDI. I think that hosting 10 capture pages custom built and furnished to grab peoples attention is worth a hell of a lot more then $10. For one you go anywhere else your paying to customize your pages unless you know HTML $90 maybe. Second, you pay for hosting $10-$80 a month. Third, third party maintenance on the website unless you know HTML another $30 plus a month. That right there has totaled you the full cost of what it would take to set up all the streams of income just about now hmm let me think whats the better deal $10 or hundreds of dollars come on think people if your still going with anything else then wow your a moron sorry for being so blunt but sometimes blunt is what sinks into those who don’t have a clue sometimes.

    Now DM. Oh boy there is so much here that only the skilled users can take advantage of but teaching people the benefits of all these programs that the System offers this is perfect for getting business people to take notice of you I am not saying sit there and spam every person you see use the the tool as a advantage not a disadvantage people take more notice in non profit relationships before they will sit there and say oh I am being spammed maybe if I answer them they will leave me alone no doesn’t work that way people see you as a role model its up to you how you will approach that role. So use this tool as a stepping stone to talk learn and eventually earn there respect then when the moment is right suggest your ideas don’t push them just give it a nudge as it where. I am a premium member there as well and as of right now I basically use it for the free ads it gives you, I get spam everyday from users but when I am ready to make that decision to talk and not be spammed then I will set out to grab the attention of my viewer not just say here try this and screw you later on no your just asking to get deleted and show that your not worth there time.

    Now Selfbank. Yes and no here some of it I can see as a very powerful future investment because the world is everyday changing the use of such a technology would scare most though I also believe. For one internet security is not so great and wow they want to transfer all that knowledge into your phone how crazy can that be but think about it computers no matter how much non security they may have people still use them every single day of there lives and will continue to use them forever. So even though I believe it to be a non secure way to make or put your life into your phone like computers the majority of people who are out there are always trying to make there life easier and it will always be around when it hits off the ground level so the investment you put into it is well worth the time you put into viewing and understanding the idea behind it.

    Now CJ. I can’t say to much for this yet because I understand that it is connected to the auto blog so I kinda put a halt on it till the blog system is back in play. No reason paying for something your not gonna make anything from for the time being. But if you think about it blogs are a powerful tool to get peoples attention towards seprated adds on the net the see a banner boom they click you get paid don’t see any downside there.

    Now Yuwie. I see these social networks as a specific tool not individual they work only if you work them the way you are show through the step-by-step videos. Then after getting your contacts do you start to talk to them and build ideas and take the time to devolop the relationship needed to get the person interested in your ideas. So same as DM in respect of its power and usage towards the community in which you are trying to involve in getting to view what you believe to be good for them and not good for your own profit because if you want profit they have to come first not yourself ideas and general relationships are built on the trust of what you want your views to receive not on the spamming issues and hope to pick up one or two of interest.

    that’s about it for me like I said I believe I made the right decision now it’s up to you to make your own decision if this right for you or not right for you.

    Thanks for your time and the views that I get from this maybe the responses as well but for the bad ones oh well people have there own thinking which makes why if you decide to go with the SpiderWeb Marketing System your choice not ours.


  107. Jennifer @ Money Saver 101 on December 30th, 2008 8:29 am

    Thank you for this blog post.

    I currently have the Spiderweb System open in another browser tab, and I’m incredibly skeptical. Nothing about them in the Better Business Bureau, nor their parent company.

    It rubs me the wrong way that they desire to have my phone number. It’s one thing to give out my e-mail address, but quite another to give my phone number to a complete stranger.

    Automated blogs - I feel the same as you. It’s ridiculous. Honestly, once enough people sign up, it will simply be copy and pasted information that anyone can get anywhere else on the web. What happened to offering your visitors something unique, to keep them coming back again and again? What’s so unique about it that you rank high in the search engines?

    Making all the money in the world, personally, isn’t worth the blemish it will place on one’s integrity.

  108. Spiritwild on January 2nd, 2009 3:09 pm

    Is their server down today 1/2/2009?

    Haven’t been able to load their site at all. Just trying to make sure it’s not an issue on my end.

    Thanks !

  109. Ken on January 3rd, 2009 7:39 pm

    Spiritwild and All,

    I joined the Spiderweb Sytem just a few days ago. Went through all the videos and was ready to take advantage of the marketing tools only to find the SW site was down. It has been down since the turn of 2009. The front page is now open, but the back forum and capture sites are not operating.

    I have been trying to find out what has happened, but there is no one to contact.

    In my search for answers I landed upon this VERY interesting blog that appears to have been running during the whole lifespan of Spiderweb. I have learned more about Spiderweb during its existence from individuals’ thoughts through this forum than I could find anywhere else.

    It has certainly been enlightening to say the least.

    I have so far only invested in to the GDI ($10/month payment) which is a small cost to stay on board and ride the ship during seemingly current ruff tides until hopefully the ride gets smoother.

    Only time will tell… Ken

  110. Brian on January 5th, 2009 7:09 pm


    I too signed up for the SWS and had a GDI account before them. After reading this forum and the info I decided I would like to cancel my GDI account. Well after deeply reading their TOS (terms of service), you can only cancel by calling them on the phone (what you say) they say because of security reasons (huh, what their site is not secure enough), sure when I gave them my credit card info to sign up, I didn’t have to make a call.

    I can only say GDI will not survive, and regardless what “Noob Tube” videos say, all those people want to do is promote themselves. I see ENRON all the way [In my opinion,] .WS stands for Worst Site/Worst Service.

  111. Jonas on January 6th, 2009 3:59 pm

    Anyone who is in the SW System, get out, run for your life, you might as well flip the lid to your toilet and throw your hard earned dollars in to it, and flush it.

    As for the so called Black Widow Partners, you might as well have a bonfire and throw even more money in to watch it burn away, as Kimball Roundy and his crew drive away in Ferraris.

    I told them I wanted my money back and they won’t respond. So I am reporting them to the BBB.

    Frustrated and ripped off signing out!

  112. Jeffrey D. on January 7th, 2009 8:43 pm

    Unfortunately, the BBB is almost as big a joke as the Spider Web System. I have seen many shady organizations that are represented by the BBB. They really don’t care about protecting consumers. As long as you are paying THEM they will slap that “tag” on your business making you look legit, whether you ARE or NOT. In my book, practically a scam!

  113. Ken on January 8th, 2009 12:12 am

    Well after five days of being down, SpiderWeb finally came up and explained that an uncontrollable event occurred due to the company that drives all their servers having technical problems that literally affected millions of people. Don’t get me wrong I am not trying to make any points here with SpiderWeb, but I do feel GDI is a respectable, honest, and reliable company.The top earner right now in GDI is Brian Bear, and he is my second direct upline sponsor, and he has provided tremendous online marketing teaching and guidance for all his members.

  114. Larry on January 14th, 2009 9:05 am

    I, too, jumped on the SW bandwagon. I went thru all the videos, and the message was clear. This is a “free” system, and you are not required to upgrade, unless you want to make any money.

    It is true that the video’s are top notch, and the setup truly is a copy and paste process. I have been contacted by both of my upline sponsors. One of them has even advised me not to upgrade certain accounts, because he doesn’t think the “benefits” are worth it. However, he is a very accomplished network marketer who can navigate the system with his eyes closed, so he has no need to upgrade. I, myself, am still trying to figure out how to get my capture pages to a place where someone can see them.

    I notice that the SpiderZone is still down. Apparently, they’ve been saying that it will be back up in a couple of weeks. Based on the posts here, it’s been down for quite a few couple of weeks.

    I can’t afford to keep upgrading all these free accounts. I am, however, very intrigued by SelfBank. I think that it has huge potential, so I suppose that I can thank SW for that.

    I joined GDI, and DM. I get a ton of emails on the DM site. Mostly from people trying to sell stuff. Everyone seems to be promoting an ebook about 10 steps to success, or something like that. I listened to an audio called “5 Pillars”. It was about the 5 requirements for any network marketing to succeed. If it doesn’t have all 5, it can not succeed in the long term. It was pretty good.

    I’m glad I found this site. I wish I had found it about $800.00 dollars ago.

  115. Larry Brauner on January 14th, 2009 11:14 am

    Thank you for your comment Larry.

    When I posted this article on my Online Social Networking blog last May, I hadn’t quite expected that it would become the top Spider Web Marketing System forum. However, to date this blog post has received more than 5,000 visitors.

    I want to alert you to some problems with the so-called “5 Pillars”.

    Success in 10 Steps and 5 Pillars are part of a prospecting system that Michael Dlouhy developed to promote the Vitamark network marketing business of which he is a top distributor and leader.

    Therefore you must realize that Success in 10 Steps and 5 Pillars are not unbiased works, and that they are written and engineered to gently lead you down the path to Vitamark.

    I invite you to explore the rest of this blog and to subscribe to my blogcasts. You will receive notifications of new articles.

    You are also invited to join me on my social networking site, Critical Thinking Outside the Box where you can communicate with me directly.

    Good luck,

    Larry Brauner

  116. Guest on January 15th, 2009 6:48 pm

    I find this blog both discouraging and encouraging at the same time. Everything on the Internet that I have tried previously has been a huge and expensive disappointment. What intrigued me about the Spider Web Marketing System is its simplicity and its low risk involved. I myself skipped the income streams that cost money and am continuing to promote GDI and other free promotions with good success.

  117. Larry Brauner on January 15th, 2009 7:01 pm

    I don’t think it’s bad to invest money in a business. I do it all the time.

    My issue with the SpiderWeb System was that it emphasized free, when all that was free was the SpiderWeb structure.

    Global Domains isn’t free. It costs $10 per month. I don’t believe that $10/month is a lot, but at the same time, I don’t feel that what GDI offers is worth $10 per month.

    But in any case, if you’re doing well, great.

  118. Jeffrey D. on January 16th, 2009 10:47 am

    Dear Guest,

    Before I get started, I want you to…

    WAKE UP!


    GDI is NOT a FREE promotion! It costs money. So does the DM upgrade, So does SelfBank Mobile upgrade, so does Zanzuu monthly membership and Wowzza! so does pay-per-click Google AdWords, should I go any further? When you add it all up, tell me this isn’t costing you LESS than at least $200 a month? You WON’T make ANY money if you aren’t upgrading, you CAN’T!

    Congratulations, Mr. Roundy. You have set yourself up a program luring THOUSANDS into your marketing funnel. If anything, you are nothing short of BRILLIANT!

  119. Brian on January 19th, 2009 8:21 pm

    Dear Larry,

    To follow up on GDI, I just want to let everybody know that I cancelled my subscription/acct .ws with them. I must say that they do have a good and very polite customer service team — of course after waiting for nearly 10 minutes to get a real rep on the line. The rep asked me why I chose to cancel. I honestly told him that I found other opportunities that I will be pursuing and that was that. So in my last post about GDI I know I sounded negative and want to apoligize for writing what I did on this site. Please if you feel that GDI is the way to go, by all means keep pursuing it.

    Best regards,

  120. Jeffrey D. on January 25th, 2009 2:46 am


    I’d like you to please listen for a minute…


    The Spiderweb Marketing System is pure B.S.!

    And B.S. doesn’t stand for Buzzirk Spider


  121. Larry Brauner on January 25th, 2009 11:20 am

    I would say Jeffrey that you have expressed your opinion of the Spider Web System and the opinion of many others including yours truly in the proverbial nutshell.

  122. Carolyn Webber on January 28th, 2009 12:21 am

    I agree that the Spiderweb Marketing System is basically a marketing plan for GDI. However, I do think that there are a couple of real opportunities that seem to be really excellent MLM opportunities. I specifically think that Selfbank Mobile is a really interesting business. I also think that the social networks that pay are interesting concepts. I don’t know how hard it would be to market them, but it seems like they could be OK if one knew the best way to market them.

  123. Larry Brauner on January 28th, 2009 12:49 am


    Selfbank Mobile might be an interesting opportunity. However, even if it is, you have to ask whether the Spider Web System helps to market it enough to justify its existence.

    As far as social networks, those that cost money to join such as Direct Matches are bucking the trend.

    Those that are free such as Yuwie pay out so little per member that you’ll never earn much from it.

    Thanks for you comment.

  124. Jeffrey D. on January 29th, 2009 10:21 pm

    SpiderWeb system ISN’T a marketing plan for GDI. It is a SUPER Affiliate Program for Roundy and his big wheel J.V. Partners at GDI, Direct Matches, Yuwie, Wowzza, SelfBank Mobile, Meet Franklin, etc… etc… etc…

    It’s just like [big multilevel marketing companies]. 1% will make BIG BUCKS. The other 99% just get screwed!


  125. Robert on February 3rd, 2009 3:19 am

    The best way to earn money with a MLM company is to START one. :)

    Greetings from The Netherlands.

  126. Jake Delahanty on February 3rd, 2009 10:27 am

    I couldn’t agree more that this program is a scam. Any time a product or service is absent from the system, you run the risk of polluting the Internet with another scam like this. Fifteen years ago, a friend and I started a web hosting business in Miami. We now host over 25,000 websites at a net income of $5.63 per subscriber. Please notice I said “net income” - after all business and employee expenses. Do the math.

    No MLM program can sustain success for a variety of reasons - primarily having to recruit others and the ones that do involve a product or service are selling the product or service for more than it’s worth.

    In 1995, someone came to me with the Excel Long Distance program. I spent the first 10 years of my career in telecommunications. I got thrown out of an Excel business opportunity meeting because I picked the system apart for what it was - a farce. Just like the Spider Web System - some people made money, but most could have made more money at a minimum wage job.

    The fact remains that there is no substitute for hard work and a quality product. Many hard working people are making 6-figure incomes using the Internet to promote unique products and ideas - not scams that are unsustainable.

  127. Larry Brauner on February 3rd, 2009 8:55 pm


    I was with Excel for eight years and loved it.

    When VarTec went out of business and closed down the Excel networking program, I had in my group 1000+ bundled local phone service customers. That’s customers not representatives.

    I judged my success by the number of customers in my group, not representatives. I looked at my Excel enterprise as a service distribution business.

    I learned a lot during those years, and I was later able to serve IDT Corporation as a business analyst in their Consumer Phone Services division.

    Thank you for visiting and commenting.


  128. a mackenzie on February 4th, 2009 9:17 am

    I joined spiderweb a good while back. It all set up fast enough, but I agree about support not really being there and the costs, i.e. GDI, which when I went to cancel was told I had to call a premium rate number. I didn’t. I canceled my card and emailed them. Problem solved.

    I haven’t earned one penny from it. Yes, potential for those who know, but not the way it says.

    People will jump at get rich quick schemes and that’s all it is really.

    Glad I’m out of it.

  129. Nelson on February 22nd, 2009 6:28 pm

    Well it seems to me that each time I find a program that might have some potential, someone always has a “this is a scam” comment to share.

    You simply do not know what programs to join or who to believe.

    This is not a bad thing however, and I’m thankful for these posts that saves a lot of money and frustration for many. Myself included.

    My question is the following?

    Do all these online programs fail? Do I need to promote “my own” product in order to be considered respectable and honest?

    Do I need to promote someone else’s ebook on Dog training because it’s a popular niche in order to make money online?

    Does anyone make money Online?

    I have been online for 3 years now and have been very careful when choosing programs to promote. Thanks to my skeptism and diligence, I have not lost a great deal of money.

    This has become a very frustrating and exhausting venture for me knowing that I beleive, it is possible to make a decent income online. The biggest frustration is finding the program and leader.

    Search engine advertising is not an option for many including myself. Many people DO NOT have a budget to include Google Adwords in their campaign. I’m sure everyone here knows, if you don’t know what your doing with Adwords, your wallet will soon remind you.

    So, How do you make money online?

    Any suggestions?


  130. Larry Brauner on February 23rd, 2009 4:29 pm


    You’ve asked the $64,000 question hitting the nail directly on the head. The Spider Web System is only the tip of the iceberg.

    There is no simple answer to your question, but I did write an article last year which addresses some of your issues.

    Have a look at Home Based Businesses Don’t Work.

    Your question has inspired me to write more on the subject, and I will do so in the future.

    I invite you to subscribe to this blog and to explore some of its contents.

    I also welcome you to join me on Outside the Box, my companion business and social networking site.

  131. Jeffrey D. on February 28th, 2009 12:30 am


    Thank you for expressing EXACTLY the sentiments that myself and many, many other aspiring online marketers have felt in great detail. Just when you think you’ve been introduced to “THE PERFECT MENTOR” or found “THE PERFECT PROGRAM” you wake up and realize that you’ve been spinning your wheels. They always say, “If you can believe, you can ACHIEVE!”, but old fashioned common sense needs to come into play at some point. YES there ARE many people making a living online. The key is to PERSEVERE and never give up. Find what program fits you best, that you enjoy, and stick to it. Don’t prolong something because they tell you “You aren’t working hard enough” or “You need to stop jumping around from program to program”. Although some of this may be true, if you don’t FEEL IT, don’t PURSUE IT! But ALWAYS, KEEP AT IT! (regardless of what it might be)


  132. Larry Brauner on May 20th, 2009 3:11 pm


    There is no perfect mentor nor is there a perfect program.

    We need mentors and programs in life, but we cannot allow ourselves to become mesmerized by either.

    I appeciate you and all the many thousands of people who have helped me to stay with my blogging by reading and commenting.

    There is life beyond the SpiderWeb Marketing System!

  133. Chris Davey on July 14th, 2009 10:16 am

    OK. Well to start off I am completely new to all this Internet marketing mambo jumbo, but I am very interested in learning more about the system.

    Could anyone give me a book that could enlighten me with some good background knowledge on the Internet marketing world before I get started with this business?



  134. Jeffrey D. on July 14th, 2009 11:56 pm


    I would absolutely be glad to give you a FREE guide outlining the basics of Internet Marketing.

    It is a very “tricky” thing to master, and to actually “make money online”.

    The Spiderweb system is truly “outdated”, but there are many other NEW and effective ways of succeeding in Internet Marketing.

    Please come and connect with me at Beyond Business Coaching. Connect with me there, and I will send you the guide!


  135. Larry Brauner on September 16th, 2009 4:10 pm

    A paradigm shift in advertising is shaking up the market. Now you can share in this trillion dollar industry for FREE!

    My Advertising Bar Club

  136. rocky on September 17th, 2009 4:45 pm

    Hi im pretty new to internet marketing but i have extensive marketing training provided by the technological institute that i attended. For the past 2 years i have been trying to find a good home based business through the internet but all i get is the same get rich quick scams, just with different companies and different peoples names.
    I have a marketing job on the side for a good company in my city but i wanted to find another stream of income. I just joined gdi which is only 10bucks a month, some people may say thats 10bucks is too much for what you get but im not too sure of that yet. Today is actually the first day of my 7 day free trial period and for the next 6 days i will put gdi to the test and market it as well as i can where i live.
    One thing i do know is there is no such thing as a push button streaming income or a get rich quick scheme. But, if you have the right tools and work very hard at something, even if it is something such as gdi or any product you should see some sort of gain from it.
    Also on regards to the spiderweb system i was half way into signing up, i think i was on video 6 and i came across this page which has been extremely helpful. I have yet to lose any money through that system and i have Larry and the other posters of this review to thank for it. I was very skeptical of the system and was not going to spend a dime on any of the income streams. I just wanted to know what the system actually did and offered. The system could be extremely useful to promote other products. Someone should copy the system and make it a system that is completely free and that would allow anyone to promote any product on that website. Not just that Kimball guy marketing his lame videos and promoting gdi for his own sake.
    The reason why i replied on this page is because i could use some extra cash and am running out of ideas. I am young and would like my parents to retire soon because they are way too old to both be working(both past the age of 60). I am willing eager and motivated to learn and try out new things. Is there anyone that can help me reach this goal and possibly be a good online mentor and is there any actual home based jobs i could do and make an income from. I do not want to find another 8 hour a day job besides the one i am already work at.

    Thank you

  137. The Spiderweb Marketing System - Dirk on September 20th, 2009 5:45 pm


    This is a great post and I believe you hit the nail on the head several times.

    The SpiderWeb Marketing system was my last straw with MLM. And I gave it a hearty effort.

    I also wrote a short review of my experience with it:

    MLM is a dead end course, just a job with very low pay and no future, and that is if you have some small sliver of success… Bear.

    Non stop promotion and support to new people coming in, figuring out there is no sustainable income solution, then what?

    I prefer a passive income, and not even list building, unless the market works for that.


    Dirk Poulsen

  138. Jeff on October 19th, 2009 5:37 pm

    Hi, I am just starting, and I need followers to get started on the right foot. If anyone can help that would be great.

  139. online payment systems on November 18th, 2009 5:22 am

    It is really a great idea on Spiderweb marketing system. Now I’m not saying that Spider Web Marketing is a bad thing. In fact many people are making some pretty good money with it. Well the people who had large lists to advertise to.

  140. USClickAds on February 27th, 2010 1:57 pm

    I see the Spiderweb System is now deceased and that is a good thing.

  141. tony zi on August 17th, 2010 1:21 am

    Yes SWMS is DOA!!

    They claim, on the ‘deceased’ page that comes up, that there is a ‘funeral’ where they will tell you about their next great ‘opportunity’.

    Any takers?

  142. Larry Brauner on August 17th, 2010 9:18 am

    Just remember, I predicted it way back when.

  143. centrum handlowe on August 19th, 2010 5:41 pm

    I want say my english is not right therefore Is there any posts about this field in different languages? I hope you will write off me in this topic.

  144. Robert Karo on August 27th, 2010 9:08 pm

    Larry; I haven’t invested a great deal of money yet. But I have spent on Herbalife; and immediately cancelled after spending a few hundred dollars to find out what it is all about. I also spent $10 on Paid to Place which I believe is only a site to get people to join Paid to Place. Am I correct? Yes, I am a Newbie. I’m, an older gentleman; (I hate that), but I’m not stupid or slow; just New to this. I really need supplemental income, but cannot invest much. Is there anything in home business that is real and not super expensive to get started?

    I started by joining several surveys and opinion websites; however, almost all of them require you to purchase a product with your credit card, and I have never been paid for the points I earned.

    I’m really glad to have finally found your site; I came to it searching
    Although it is very enlightening and interesting, it is mostly above my head.

    I have been and always be a hard worker and not afraid to put in time and effort, and I am teachable. But, misfortune struck my family three times, and I can’t afford an outlay of money to start. Plus, I don’t trust any of these sites anymore.

    So, Larry; where do I go to start out. Being a newbie and all. I know an income can be earned, and I don’t expect millions in the first two months, but I need reliable help, and I underscore reliable. That is why I just read about 40 of these blogs and your answers. You have greatly impressed me with your outlook and ethics. I couldn’t go to church if I were doing something unethical or sleazy.

    Well, that’s about it. Thanks, if you read this. And if you answer I will be absolutely amazed and gratified.

    Thanks again for being there, you’ve been a help in keeping me from making another mistake.


  145. Larry Brauner on August 28th, 2010 10:22 pm

    Unfortunately Bob, there isn’t a simple answer, and without knowing you, I’m reluctant to make any recommendations. For now, why not connect with me on my networking site, Small Business Networking, and we’ll see what we can do.

  146. Lillie on February 10th, 2011 10:58 am

    Both GDI and Pay It Forward4 Profit have been a part of my experience in earning legitimate income online. I left pay it forward soon after I joined when a prospect showed me a bad history report from the BBB on the man who ran the site. I didn’t want to chance leading people into a scam, so I stopped promoting it. Regardless of this issue, I remember Paul Birdsall telling members not to spam. People who spam do so because they don’t want to pay attention to the rules, not because of the system they are hooked into.

    As for GDI it is the one people promote as part of a system because it is a solid and extremely low cast opportunity. It is far from being the over priced web service you assume it to be. It is found in multi income stream systems because it is an income generating opportunity that is in addition to the web service.

  147. alefa on September 19th, 2011 6:14 pm

    ok i have a question

    i know this is not pertaning to spider web however it is network marketing

    has anyone here tried mlsp (my lead system pro)

    any honest feedback would be greatly appreciated

  148. Graeme on December 23rd, 2011 10:59 pm

    I was part of spiderweb and the bit I did not like was GDI. $120 a year for a single website and hosting. Not a good deal. The man behind spider web is at it again and this time he claims to have the bugs out of the system. And its free to join up. I keen to give it ago.

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